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Ambition

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Hey guys, hope you are all well!!

Firstly i'd just like to say i've made quite a bit of progress with my hyperacusis, it's more of me being able to convince myself the sounds aren't harmful then i can find myself tolerating them again

Anyway one question, traffic has always been a nightmare since i got my hyperacusis, it seems when i'm walking down a main road right next to the street (so not on the inside of the path), when lorrys, bin trucks etc. go past they seem to take my ear off almost, 

Although the sound only lasts for a second or 2 as they past by, my question is, is this sound harmful? It's something i don't really know because they are so loud, but at the same time other people seem to tolerate them so much, so maybe it's me with my hyperacusis? It's just the thought of me standing within a foot or 2 of a big bin lorry revving past me seems a bit too loud, but then again a few months ago i couldn't do the dishes without ear plugs,

If i could get some light shed i can hopefully start to tackle this problem more!

Thanks in advance, hope you all have a good day!



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Firstly, sorry I don't know the answer. Secondly, as a road cyclist I'd like to find out!

I'm trying to avoid big buses and sometimes, when I hear them coming, I cover the closest ear just as they are closest. I guess if you do it without fretting about it then it isn't going to reinforce your aversion to noise. But that is just a guess. On the other hand, you aren't worse for the odd bus passing you and I'm not worse so chances are they aren't that damaging.

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Well, it won't damage anything but taking desensitization too fast can make hyperacusis work. General idea is to try and not to use ear protection much. These are treatable conditions and it's important to learn how to go about desensitization. Hurt doesn't equal damage. But excessive noise like concerts and loud movies, clubs and the like can make hyperacusis worse. To know if you have hyperacusis you need to be diagnosed by a knowledgeable clinician that treats hyperacusis.
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Hey Ambition,

I used to have a problem with that as well. Then, when a big truck or city bus would pass I would just put my finger in my ear to that side. But that also went away. I don't even notice it now anymore. Since you say you used to do dishes with earplugs and now not anymore. Slowly everything is back to normal for me now. I took time and patience. But now I am almost cured. I find myself not being afraid of sound anymore. 

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Ambition –

I’m glad you are making progress with hyperacusis.  To answer your question, traffic sounds are not harmful to someone with hyperacusis.  They may hurt to hear, but they do no damage to the auditory system.

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moonboots

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trafic sounds are not harmful ? I don't agree... I had a huge setback exposing myself to city sounds like streets, pubs, etc... setbacks don't only come from loud noise but also from long time exposure to average sounds like street sounds, that's what happened to me and to others...

so my advice would be not to hurry, take your time, there's no need to expose to street noise, it will come when you'll be sure that your hyperacusis is far away
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Moonboots –

 

My impression is that the folks asking about traffic sounds are wondering if these sounds are harmful to the auditory system.  They are not.  Exposure to these sounds cause no damage to the auditory system.   

 

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moonboots

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well, they are not harmful for normal auditory system, but hyperacusic means a lower tolerance threshold, so if you expose yourself to loud noise OR if you expose yourself for too long to average noise it may worsen your hyperacusis, it's what I've experienced, like many other hyperacusis people... so I think it's a useless risk... now I have to protect myself much more and the improvement is much longer... (nota bene : I practice my own rehabituation with my hi-fi)
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moonboots -

Exposure to normal sound is not harmful to anyone's auditory system.  I think that is what the original poster and another poster are asking.  It is a common experience for a hyperacusic to experience setbacks, but a setback is not the same thing as damage.  I have had many setbacks.  Through patience and hard work, I moved my LDLs from the 30s and 40s to the 90s and 100s.  Had I damaged my auditory system, I wouldn't have been able to re-establish my sound tolerance. 

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moonboots

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is it useful to live setback ? I don't think so, it makes the healing longer...
street noises are not "normal" noises, they are very loud, especially buses, horns, sirens... is it really useful to expose yourself to these kind of noises that can bring on setbacks ?

my hyperacusis was very low one year after my first trauma, I'm sure I was not far from complete healing, but I was careless and I exposed myself to this kind of "normal" noises for several days... I was still too fragile for this kind of sounds... the result was a huge setback, and now the slope is much harder...

it's similar to what a lot of hyperacusic people experiment...

now I guess science is not accurate enough to evaluate how hyperacusis works and where is the damage...
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Moonboots – 

The original poster asked a question about exposure to traffic sounds which last for two seconds.  Exposure for two seconds to “buses, horns and sirens” will cause no damage to anyone’s auditory system.    

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=standards&p_id=9735


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moonboots

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yes I agree, 2 seconds is very short    
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Moonboots, If you can listen to sound for 2 seconds with no pain, but you get pain after you listen a longer period of time, then it's not hyperacusis. It's aversion to the sound. when you have aversion to a sound it can limit both the loudness and length of time you can listen. And yes it's treatable.

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moonboots

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I don't say that I can listen to street sound without pain (I was able before my setback, now I can't because my tolerance has decreased, even if I'm slowly getting better), I just say that two seconds of street noise, as a matter of fact, won't cause a big setback, except if the sound is loud (like a horn close to you) and / or if the hyperacusis is a severe one / if the trauma is recent...

anyway it's not useful to expose an hyperacusic to street noises, it's not a part of the healing...

for me hyperacusis looks like tendonitis : you have to slowly reeducate, but the more you'll be violent the more you will delay the healing
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Rob

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Moonboots -

Can you say a little about what steps you are taking to treat hyperacusis?

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moonboots

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hello Rob

well, two things :
1) I protect my ears with ear plugs or ear muffs in all noisy places (I'm much more careful than before my setback)
2) I hear half an hour of nature sounds each day, trying to progressively increase the volume each week or month (I try the spanish protocol but can't exactly fit to the same schedule : http://www.chat-hyperacusis.net/post/Successful-spanish-H-treatment-protocol-4724819?trail=50 )

I improve but it's very slow compare to the situation before my setback...

one symptom I'm curious about : I hear a little 'tic' when I walk / shake my head... do you have any idea what it can be ?
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Rob

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Moonboots -

I don't know what the tic sound could be. 

Have you thought about working with a doctor who is knowledgeable about diagnosing and treating hyperacusis?  It might increase your chances to make even more progress.

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moonboots

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Hello Rob, I heard other people talking about this symptom, yes you're right I should ask a doctor, but ears seem to be still so unknown by doctors...
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Hi Ambition

I must agree with Rob here, those short sounds cannot damage the auditory system, but it's important to emphasize that noises which exceed too much our sound tolerance (like a car horn or a siren,for example) can give us a setback and take away the little progress we could have made. So my advice is, if you accidentally are exposed to some of these sounds, don't worry, you'll be fine, but try not to expose yourself very often to them, at least until your LDL's indicate that you can or are near to those noise levels, remember that recovering from Hyperacusis is a progressive process.

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saab1216

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I agree with Rob....I exposed myself to traffic everyday while jogging a bridge or driving with my convertible top down. yes it sounds crazy but I was willing to believe that I would get better with more exposure. I ,however did not allow sounds like sirens to penetrate me. I would plug my ears with my fingers in that situation. Today Im almost total again. I do not feel any affects from hyperacusis. I also would include that I would not suggest throwing yourself into the same situation that I had. I was simply desperate and refused to live with hyp. anymore.

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