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PART A:

 

Not very long ago, fifty people got on a bus in Ridgewood, New Jersey en route to Cleveland, Ohio.  Hard as it may be to believe, no one got off the bus during the entire trip.  But when the bus arrived in Cleveland, and its doors opened to let the riders depart, there was not a single person who got off the bus.  Is this possible?  If so, how so?  Extra credit is awarded to anyone who can answer correctly in Urdu.

 

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Not very long ago, fifty people got on an empty bus in Cleveland, Ohio enroute to Ridgewood, New Jersey.  Every single person got off the bus when it made a brief stop about two hours later and never got back on the bus, except for the bus driver, who was the only person to get back on the bus after it departed from Cleveland.  But when the bus arrived in Ridgewood, and its doors opened, 48 people got off the bus.  Is this possible?  If so, how so?  Extra credit will be given to anyone who indicates he or she could have answered in Urdu but had to catch a bus.   

 

  

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PART A

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But when the bus arrived in Cleveland, and its doors opened to let the riders depart, there was not a single person who got off the bus


Yes its possible. Thats because all fifty people who left the bus in Cleveland were married (i.e. they were not single).

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Every single person got off the bus when it made a brief stop about two hours later. ut when the bus arrived in Ridgewood, and its doors opened, 48 people got off the bus


Hence there were two single people who left the bus for good at the brief stop (they were not married) and the other 47 who stayed on were married. The bus driver (who is single) makes it 48'th person to leave the bus in Ridgewood  (he also had to get off the bus at the end of his shift).

I coudn't answer in Urdu because I missed the bus!

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Alternate solution:

Cleveland when colored orange in Rob's puzzle does not mention the state. I assume it refers to Cleveland, Pennsylvania so that the bus has an intermediate stop between Cleveland Ohio and Ridgewood NJ. Otherwise, Cleveland in black or Cleveland in green refers to Cleveland Ohio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Township,_Pennsylvania

Cleveland, Pennsylvania is located in Columbia County so it would be very close to a direct route from Cleveland Ohio to Ridgewood NJ.

In Part A, no one left in Cleveland Pennsylvania but stayed on to the end to Cleveland Ohio.

In Part B, 47 *new* people got on the bus in Cleveland, Pennsylvania after everyone left the bus upon arrival there. The bus driver was the only person to get *back* on at the intermediate stop (Cleveland, Pennsylvania) because the 47 other people who boarded there was their *first* time getting onto the bus. 48 people including the bus driver left at Ridgewood NJ.

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I am still considering that when the 50 people got 'on the bus' was it actually an attempt to get in the record books as the larget amount of people urban surfing on one vehicle at a time or if they got 'in the bus'.... If they did get 'on the bus' (Go urban surfers go), then when the doors opened nobody would get off through the doors as they may have all fallen off already or would simply of jumped off before the doors opened... I have not even read part B yet...

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My brain hurts, need water...

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Two things are clear.

 

First, if DP had accompanied Lewis and Clark, they would have reached their destination weeks in advance -- and probably discovered Las Vagas on the way.

 

Second, while some worthy attempts have been made by the fleet-thinking DP, we're not there yet lads. 

 

For a spot of good news, however, DP can take heart in knowing that he has been awarded extra credit for not answering Part B in UrduAnd Ju is awarded one seventy-second of a point for coming up with the distinguished idea that our travellers were actually in the bus (with the rest of the luggage) rather than on the bus.  There's no telling what he will imagine when he reads Part B, and for this we can all be a little grateful

 

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Ok then how about his,

In Part A,

Cleveland, Ohio is merely a intermediate destination whereby the bus stops and then continues further to a final destination. No one left the bus at the Cleveland stop because they were all going to the final destination.

Part B:

Same idea here. Ridgewood is merely an intermediate stop en route to a further final destination. 48 people left at Ridgewood and two hours later, at the brief stop, all the rest of the passengers came off.

(yeah, yeah, I'm married to this idea of intermediate destinations).

BTW, here "yeah yeah" does not really make a negative....hmmmm,  maybe I *was* too generous on my judging in my last SAT question).

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(yeah, yeah, I'm married to this idea of intermediate destinations).
 
The judges admire your consideration of options.  But, to quote Bob (Frost), you have miles to go before you sleep. 


BTW, here "yeah yeah" does not really make a negative
 
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OK Try this one:

Ridgewood to Cleveland is a 10 to 15 hour one way bus ride according to Greyhound.

My assumption is the following: If at any stop along the route the bus becomes completely empty, it simply goes back to the closest point of departure (Cleveland or Ridgewood) since there is no need to waste fuel.

PART A:

Since the Ridgewood-Cleveland run is a round trip excursion, and the quiz states that no one left for the entire trip, then no one left in Cleveland since the round trip had not yet completed. Everyone returned to Ridgewood, hard as it may be to believe.

PART B. After releasing all of its passengers at the brief stop, the bus had no reason to continue on to Ridgewood 8+ hours away and returned to Cleveland only 2 hours away. It arrived EMPTY in Cleveland and picked up a new load of passengers. Since it still had passengers after the brief stop on its way to Ridgewood, it continued on to Ridgewood with its load of 48 passengers.

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DP,

 

It would be ungentlemanly of me to leave the board for a few weeks without responding to the latest example of your renowned rapid-fire brainpower which, sadly, has yet to enable you to come up with the answers to this portion of the SAT.  The judges are pulling for you on this one.  One judge, named Pam, is standing on her head.  The authorities at Greyhound are ready to assist.  It is, of course, always possible that Ju or another board member will rise to the challenge. 

 

Upon consideration, it would also be untoward of me to depart without leaving some further information.  And so: 

 


Part A:

 

Of the 50 people who got on the bus in Ridgewood, NJ, some were married and some were not.  The bus does not stop in Cleveland, Pennsylvania on its journey between Ridgewood, NJ and Cleveland, Ohio, although it may make other intermediate stops.  If the bus becomes completely empty at any point along the way, it continues just like any other bus in any other SAT question.  We cannot assume the bus makes a round trip excursion.       

 


 Part B:

 

The two people that dp referred to as "two single people who left the bus for good at the brief stop" were, in fact, marriedIf there were 47 people who stayed on the bus at this time, and we're not saying one way or the other, the reader may assume that some were married and some were not.  For the record, the bus driver would like you to know that he is marriedIf the bus did stop in Cleveland, PA in Part B, and we're not saying one way or the other, no one got on the bus in that august city.  As was the case in Part A, the bus in Part B -- which may or may not be the same bus as in Part A -- behaves like any other bus in any other SAT question.  While it is true that the bus made a brief stop two hours after arriving in Ridgewood, it is not true that all remaining passengers -- if there were any -- got off the bus. 

 

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While it is true that the bus made a brief stop two hours after arriving in Ridgewood,


Rob, I need some clarification.

This was not mentionned in the quiz....The quiz specified the the bus stopped two hours after departing from Cleveland. At least this is what it seems like reading the text. It this new information you are giving or is this a typo on your part?

I had mentionned this as one of the possibilities *before* I found out Cleveland - Ridgewood is a 10 hour bus ride. Now that I know its a 10 hour bus ride, the brief stop two hours outside of Cleveland *has* to occur long before arriving at Ridgewood....Or does it?

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Rob, I need some clarification.
 
Fire away, lad.
 

 
The quiz specified the the bus stopped two hours after departing from Cleveland. At least this is what it seems like reading the text.
 
That's right.  The bus stopped two hours after departing from Cleveland, Ohio.  If I was being tricky, writing like someone with NPD (Nixonian Personality Disorder), we could interpret it in another way.  But, in this case, it means what you said.  As a weekend special, the judges award one twentieth of a point to DP for his rabbinic parsing of the mimetic qualities of the text.  However, fairness being thrown out the window like yesterday's pan of water, they detract one point from Ju's score because DP's excellent questions have spurred me to briefly return to the board in the middle of my supposed (and long-intended) board break.  Come to think of it, the judges detract six points from stringplayer's score on general principle, even though he hasn't participated
 

 
Is this new information you are giving or is this a typo on your part?
  
While it is true that the bus made a brief stop two hours after arriving in Ridgewood,
 
It isn't a typo.  Most of what I referred to as "further information" in my previous post is in response to your previous answers.  For example, when I wrote that it's true the bus stopped briefly for two hours after arriving in Ridgewood, I was responding to something you wrote a couple days ago, which went like this:
 
Ridgewood is merely an intermediate stop en route to a further final destination. 48 people left at Ridgewood and two hours later, at the brief stop, all the rest of the passengers came off.
 


Now that I know its a 10 hour bus ride, the brief stop two hours outside of Cleveland *has* to occur long before arriving at Ridgewood....Or does it?
 
Pam -- an aforementioned judge -- has resumed standing on her head
 
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Both PART A and B are possible despite the fact that none of the busses departing Cleveland actually stop in Ridgewood and none of the busses departing Ridgewood actually stop in Cleveland. Confused? Let me explain.

I'll start with PART B:

Below is the Greyhound Schedule details of one route from Cleveland to Ridgewood, NJ that has a brief stop two hours outside Cleveland.

From the Schedule, one can safely assume that Youngstown OH was the brief stop two hours after departing Cleveland where everyone left the bus. This stop lasted 10 minutes. I was hoping for the stop to be Ridgewood PA so that there would be another Ridgewood along the route, which would have simplified the riddle for me somewhat, but it does not really matter in the end.

Now if you look at the schedule, there are many more stops on the route some much longer than 10 minutes presumably to allow pick up of more passengers. But the quiz states that no one except the bus driver got back on the bus after it departed from Cleveland. So what happened? The most important stop, however,  occurs  in New York, NY where a compulsory transfer takes place. In fact ALL Cleveland-Ridgewood routes according to the Greyhound web site have a transfer occur somewhere along the route at least 2 hours out of Cleveland.  So a *different* bus arrives in Ridgewood than the one that departs from Cleveland. 

For the purposes of the quiz, the transfer point may very well have been at the brief stop two hours out of Cleveland where everyone left the first bus (which would seem to indicate a transfer). Regardless where the transfer actually occured, as long as it was at or after the brief stop mentionned in the quiz, the second bus is free to pick up and drop off any number of passengers at the transfer point and any stop thereafter without contradicting the quiz's stipulation since it applies to the bus that departed Cleveland (i.e. the first bus). When it arrives in Ridgewood, there can be any number of passengers that step out of the second bus (in this case 48).

Now, for part A:

PART A: Same reasoning as part B: Because of the compulsory transfer along the route, a different bus arrived in Cleveland than the one that departed from Ridgewood. So the people who remained on the original bus that departed from Ridgewood where actually going somewhere else! Another possibility is that their bus arrived too late for the transfer to occur. In any case, the second bus that departed the transfer point en route to Cleveland can also have any number of passengers  (in this case is was empty when it arrived in Cleveland).

(Note to Rob, I realised that the judge called PAM standing on her head was a hint to look at a MAP. However, I could not find in my house a good map of the US not being a resident of the US. I tried online maps but I coudn't get a good one that had both Ridgewood and Cleveland on the same page. I doubt that I would have picked up on the transfer scenario even if I did. Things only came together when I looked at the actual Greyhound schedule. If you had used ficticious cities in the quiz, I may never have figured this one out, if this is indeed the correct solution).

Here we have the schedule details of a Cleveland-Ridgewood route which has a brief stop about two hours out of Cleveland.


Schedule Details
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Location Arrives Departs Layover Carrier Schedule
CLEVELAND, OH   08:45am   GLI 1608
MAPLE HEIGHTS, OH 09:05am 09:05am   GLI 1608
AKRON, OH 09:45am 09:55am :10 GLI 1608
YOUNGSTOWN, OH 10:50am 11:00am :10 GLI 1608
PITTSBURGH, PA 12:20pm 01:15pm :55 GLI 1608
RS PLAINFIELD PLZ, PA 04:30pm 05:00pm :30 GLI 1608
PHILADELPHIA, PA 07:00pm 07:30pm :30 GLI 1608
NEW YORK, NY 09:30pm     GLI 1608
NEW YORK, NY Transfer 10:45pm 1:15 HTL 0771
RIDGEWOOD, NJ 11:16pm
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So, a story that was once told to me sprang to mind while reading these questions, it is hard to translate into actual time and space from the Cornish to the Urdu or US as 'O hi o' is a surprised greeting and sadness as the other person does not acknowledge you in Cornwall.

SO! This may help somebody else work out the true meaning of the two question, translate one with ease into Urdu and the other simply give the 'whatever' excuse for not translating it and posting this on this thread so re-instating it to the top of the leader board on the 'just because every now and again you meet real nice people and it is good at times not to dwell on the fact that we are united by a common issue to our health and well-being but might actually get on in real life if we ever met forum' - or
'J.B.E.N.A.A.Y.M.R.N.P.A.I.I.G.A.T.N.T.D.O.T.F.T.W.A.U.B.A.C.I.T.O.H.A.W.B.M.A.G.O.I.R.L.I.W.E.M.F' FOR SHORT.

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To protect the innocent and to ensure I do not insult any of my overseas friends on the network, I will keep Cornish names and place names for this post.

So it was such that Denzil Trevithick got on the train at Penzance heading to Camborne.Twas a lovely day the sun was shinning. Now, as Denzil got to the station, he noticed that a train was already at platform one, knowing that it was almost nine and his train was due to leave at 9.05, he raced in, purchased his ticket and sped to get seated on the train. He got to coach D and got on, the train was busy (about 48 people in his carriage) but he managed to get a seat.
Now, he settled down and waited for his journey to start, the train pulled away and moved slowly out of Penzance with the beautiful view of St. Michaels Mount beside him. At St Erth, a few people got off to get the branch line to St. Ives, nobody got on... Denzil started to chat to the people around him about his plans for the day. Now, as it was a Wednesday there was an issue, the chap (Thomas) on the opposite side to him said, 'Denzil, what ever are you doing on this train if you are going to Camborne?" Wodyou mean?' asked Denzil, 'Well, this is the fast train to London, the train dont stop Camborne Wednesdays.' 'Oh heck!' Muttered Denzil, 'What am I going to do? I have an appointment to keep and spose to meet Richard Polgarrow for dinner at noon?' Well Thomas had a thought, as it was an in town station, the train always slowed as it went through Camborne as there was a road crossing. 'Now Denzil, if we move to the front of the train, I will dangle you out of the window, if you start running in the air just past Gwinner, I am thinking that by the time the train slows through Camborne, your legs should be going at the right pace that we could let you go and you will run to a stop by the end of the platform.'

Well what else could they do? They ambled there way towards the front of the train, pausing to get the tickets checked, 'Denzil, the train dont stop Camborne Wednesdays!' said the guard... we know hurried Thomas, we have a plan...

Now, they went through Hayle, and Anggarack Viaduct, now bombing along towards Gwinner, 'Right Denzil, You get out the window.' So Denzil hang out with Thomas holding hard onto the back of his Jacket and trousers. 'Start running in the air then Denzil my boy, I will make sure I drop you right at the begining of the platform so you have room to stop.'

So, Denzil was running through the air like an Olympic sprinter... as they approached Thomas shouted to try and run even faster... his legs a blur Denzil got ready for impact as the train began to slow into Camborne, 'Ready, Steady dropping you..... NOW!' And Denzil hit the ground running at some pace, he began to slow a bit, but Camborne being a small platform he began to panic that he may run out of room. Now, at the back of the train, leaning out for some air happened to be Denzil old friend and drinking buddy from the Admiral Bembo, Jessy Penhalligan, it was a split second chance, Jessy leaned out as far as he could, grabbed Denzil by the scruff of the neck just as he was going to run off the end of the platform and drag him into the train.

'I tell you this Denzil, twas darn lucky I was looking out or you would of missed it! This train dont stop Camborne Wednesdays'.

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So maybe this happened a lot on the now well documented bus journeys? WHO KNOWS I certainly do not.

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Apart from that is must be something very simple in the wording of the question to do with the marital status of all individuals embarking on the journey, and that of course has been translated back from Urdu for all those who can not read it....

I still like the aped up extreme answer of the ever growing Urban Surfing Culture... but of course I do not in any way encourage or advise any person, persons, groups or individual, animal, mineral and by no means amoeba to try Urban Surfing at any time even if under controlled conditions with safety gear. it is being stamped out by authorities and should not even be mentioned, therefore any mention of URBAN SURFING I have made, please forget, URBAN SURFING is not a sport it is a sure way of getting your insurance company to wipe your policy clean. Long live the NHS.

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Ju is awarded five points for telling a good tale while keeping Cornish names and place names out of his post.  Well done

 

As for the answers to test questions 5A and 5B, the judges continue to hold out hope that stringplayer, Dan, Lynn, Darcy, Jane, lulu, Matt or Norm will weigh in, lest they cede the proceedings to DP's prodigious research.

 

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Another possible scenario for PART A:

The quiz does not state where the passengers' destination was (it just states where the bus was going). Let's suppose everyone who boarded the bus in Ridgewood wanted to go to Maple Heights OH which is just 10 minutes out of Cleveland (see schedule above). There must have been something going down at Maple Heights that day for that many people in Ridgewood needing to get there (e.g. a wedding, a concert).

To get to Maple Heights from Ridgewood, it would be faster to take the "express" from Ridgewood to Cleveland which does not stop at Maple Heights. After they arrive in Cleveland, all passengers stay on the bus for the next departure to New York, NY via Maple Heights. This route is in fact quicker (10 hours for Ridgewood-Cleveland + short layover in Cleveland + 10 minutes for Cleveland-Maple Heights) than if they took the milk run from Ridgewood that does stop at Maple Heights in addition to all the other stops along the route (14.5 hours according to Greyhound). It would also explain why no one left the bus at arrival in Cleveland.

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OK Rob, here goes ...

 

PART A:

 

Not very long ago, fifty people got on a bus in Ridgewood, New Jersey en route to Cleveland, Ohio.  Hard as it may be to believe, no one got off the bus during the entire trip.  But when the bus arrived in Cleveland, and its doors opened to let the riders depart, there was not a single person who got off the bus.  Is this possible?  If so, how so?  Extra credit is awarded to anyone who can answer correctly in Urdu.

 

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I agree with dp - every person who got on the bus (49 passengers plus the driver) was married.  That's still the best answer, but then you insisted that not everybody was married.

 

So ...

 

The bus made two stops in Cleveland.  When the bus arrived in Cleveland and the doors opened to let riders depart at the first Cleveland stop, nobody got off because they were all going to the second Cleveland stop, where the trip ultimately terminated and where all 50 got off.

 

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PART B:

 

Not very long ago, fifty people got on an empty bus in Cleveland, Ohio enroute to Ridgewood, New Jersey.  Every single person got off the bus when it made a brief stop about two hours later and never got back on the bus, except for the bus driver, who was the only person to get back on the bus after it departed from Cleveland.  But when the bus arrived in Ridgewood, and its doors opened, 48 people got off the bus.  Is this possible?  If so, how so?  Extra credit will be given to anyone who indicates he or she could have answered in Urdu but had to catch a bus.   

 

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The bus was enroute from Cleveland to Ridgewood and made a brief stop in Youngstown - two hours after departing Cleveland.  In Youngstown all 49 passengers plus the driver got off.  The driver then got back on the bus along with 47 new passengers.  Since these 47 new passengers had not previously been on the bus, they really didn't get back on the bus - only the driver did!  Upon arrival in Ridgewood all 48 got off.

 

(And Rob, if you insist that not only was the bus enroute from Cleveland to Ridgewood, but so too were the 49 passengers who originally got on at Cleveland, you will be pleased to know that after their interviews at Youngstown State University, they got on the next bus to Ridgewood!)

 

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Anyone else care to take a crack at these?  Remember, answers in Urdu are encouraged.  (Could this be a suave hint?)

 

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roob,

is it possible?

the 50 people that got on the bus at ridgewood NJ enroute to cleavland ohio, got off the bus in ridgewood nj because they heard michael jackson was at a coffee shop accross the street & they were all major fans & decided to take a later bus to cleavland so they could meet michael. the bus driver was not a fan so he continued enroute to cleavland ohio not only because it was en route to another destination but he was secretly meeting his past lover during his 1 hr break.

so it was the 50 people that got on & off the bus in ridgewood NJ we very happy because michael jackson signed all their autographs, he bought them all coffee & donuts & took them all to toys r us on a big spending spee. They finally made it to cleavland ohio but it wasn't until the next morning.

for the bus driver he & his past lover Joohn Uurduu enjoyed their time together,even though it was short it was very memorable.

                                                       

 

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OK  my last attempt... I'm out of ideas after this...

The bus departing Ridgewood in PART A and the bus arriving in Ridgewood in PART B are the same on account of the transfer occuring two hours outside of Cleveland (Youngstown) in PART B (the bus goes back and forth between Youngstown and Ridgewood)

So, the bus picks up 48 passengers in Yougstown en route to Ridgewood.  It then  arrives in Ridgewood in Part A with 48 passengers. Then it immediately picks up 50 passengers in Ridgewood in PART B.

Meanwhile, the empty bus that arrives in Cleveland in Part A is the same one that departs Cleveland PART B (again, on account of the transfer the bus goes back and forth between Cleveland and Youngstown). After dropping everyone off in Yougstown, NO one got back on when the bus leaves for Cleveland. Hence the bus comes back empty in Cleveland in PART A to pick up the 50 passengers departing Cleveland in Part B (recall that the 50 passengers got on an empty bus).


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OK maybe not...

Forget about the transfer,

The bus departing Ridgewood in PART A and the bus arriving in Ridgewood in PART B are the same. So the bus arrives in PART B with 48 passengers. Then it picks up 50 passengers in PART A.

Meanwhile, the empty bus arriving in Cleveland in PART A is the one departing Cleveland in PART B  (recall that 50 passengers entered an empty bus in Cleveland). So an empty bus arrives in Cleveland in PART A and then picks up 50 people in PART B.

This all works out without transfers because the two buses above are different and it all occurs about at the same time (not very long ago). The bus arriving with 48 passengers in Ridgewood occurs at or around the same time as the empty bus arriving in Cleveland.

The way the puzzle is split into PART A and PART B is the red herring that makes us think that PART A and PART B are distinct timelines.

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DP,

 

You are a wise and illustrious potentateWithout weighing in on your answers, the judges award you 2 and 1/15th points for your can-do attitude and seemingly inexhaustible curiousity.  Someone once said that it is hard to be endlessly curious about a busride.  OK, I made that last part up.  No one has ever said that.  But if they do, you will have proven them wrong in advance.   

 

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Kudos to Rob for putting up a puzzle that stayed unsolved over a month!

Most of the puzzles I posted got solved by SP in less than an hour (if even that).

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The judges have not proclaimed a winner at this point on 5A and 5B.  Has the correct answer been provided by a worthy puzzle plunderer?  Are more clues forthcoming?  Will anyone crack open a copy of the Urdu-to-English dictionary?  Stay tuned.     

 

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Well, since I can't think of anything else, and it is strongly suggested the answer lies somewhere in Urdu, I'll take one last kick at the can:

 

Part A: ji mumkin (which means yes its impossible)

Part B: Ji mumkin

 

Refer to one of the posts above for the detailed explanation.



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Since this bus riddle is still unsolved,  I think I'll give it a go.  Even though my answers may seem ridiculous they are possible, and you just never know when ridiculous just might be the answer.

A.  Yes, it's possible.  Alien abduction.

B.  Yes, it's possible.  Teleportation. 


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Okay another possibility:

A.  Yes, it's possible.  No one got off the bus, simply because no one got off the bus.  Maybe they were all asleep, or were being held hostage...whatever.  Nobody got off the bus.  Make up a reason. 

B.  Yes, it's possible.  There was another stop between Ridgwood and the stop where every single person got off the bus and never got back on except the driver.  At that stop at least 47 people got on.  When the bus arrived in Ridgwood 48 people got off.  One of them might have been the bus driver, or not.  Heck a half a dozen people still could have stayed on the bus depending on how many people got on the bus at the other stop.


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I think some variations of this have already been posted.  Apologies if this completely duplicates other answers. 

A.  Yes, it's possible.  No single people got off the bus; only married people got off the bus.  

B.  Yes, it's possible.  The fifty people on the bus includes the bus driver.  There were only three single (unmarried) people on the bus, and one of them was the bus driver.  When the bus made a brief stop those three single people got off the bus.  The bus driver then got back on the bus and was one of the 48 people who got off the bus when it arrived in Ridgewood. 

edit 4/29/07  With regards to to the 48 people who got off the bus, 47 of them were married, but the bus driver was single.   Also, just because 47 were married doesn't mean they were traveling with their spouse.

edit 5/2/07  I just noted that on 9/15/06 Rob stated the bus driver is married, so disregard all my answers in this posting.  I think my first answer (A. alien abduction and B. teleportation) is the most likely scenario...but then I would, since I'm not from this planet...

edit 5/3/07  Ignore my edits on 4/29 and 5/2, DP received the following message today:
In PART B, regarding the marital status of the bus driver, we can say with certainty that on 9/15 he is a married man because he wants us to know that.  His marital status at the time of the bus trip described in PART B may have been the same or it may be different.  If it his marital status was different when he drove the route described in this part, then Darcy's recent guesses would apply and should not be ignored.  We know for certain that on 9/15, the bus driver was married.    
 
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Iñkaar akeyla âwaam.  Hamah biyaahta.

 

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It's Urdu for:

"No single people.  All married."

(Rob was giving extra credit for correct responses in Urdu.)

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Thanks for the translation.  I knew Rob was giving extra credit for correct answers in Urdu.  The problem is although I've been able to find translators and dictionaries on the web that will translate what I write in English into Urdu, so far I have not been able to find one that will translate Urdu into English so I didn't know what you had written, thus prompting me to write to you in Urdu: "Say what?"  to which you responded, and for which I am grateful.

Now can you guide me to a source that will translates Urdu into English?  Or perhaps you're fluent in Urdu and didn't require some kind of translator....?


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On Sept 13, an answer was proposed using the married/single hypothesis.... but to no avail according to Rob.

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DP,

In rereading your answer of September 13th and the answer I suggested yesterday (4/28/07) I see that I essentially restated what you wrote  on September 13th, but worded it a little differently. 

BTW - Do you know of any web sources for translating Urdu into English?


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There are quite a few (checking using google). The following seems to have more words: http://www.ebazm.com/dictionary.htm


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Thanks for the link!   That one never showed up in the multitude of links that popped up when I Googled.  Evidently I need to improve my Googling skills. 


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I've come up with another possibility for Part B of this question. 

Anyone ever see "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"...either the 1956 or 1978 version?  Well....I now suspect that when every single person got off the bus during a brief stop and only the bus driver got back on, he loaded it up with 48 pods.  When the bus arrived in Ridgewood, the pods had hatched (so to speak) and 48 people got off the bus. 


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A friend of mine asked me to post this.  I have no idea what it means since I have not been following any of this.  I guess that makes me the perfect one to post it because I'm clueless .  So don't ask me any questions because I have no answers.


Here is a clue to PART A of the puzzle.  You will know the name of the person who has provided the clue if you can correctly rearrange all the letters of the last sentence in PART A, the sentence which mentions Urdu and begins with the words "Extra credit".  You must use a one-letter abbreviation in the rearranged sentence to stand for a commonly used word in the original sentence.  You may need the help of a physician, and if you answer correctly you will not leave empty handed.  Correctly rearranging the sentence into the new sentence will provide you with the ultimate clue to correctly answer PART A (Question # 5A) of the SAT. 

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A 55 letter anagram...??!!!!  DP I think this is for you. 

And as for "you may need the help of a physician" -- SP, do you perform brain surgery?   ...cuz I sure could use a replacement. 

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Now about this clue:
You will know the name of the person who has provided the clue if you can correctly rearrange all the letters of the last sentence in PART A, the sentence which mentions Urdu and begins with the words "Extra credit".

Well, duh... I really don't think it's necessary to go thru all that to know the name of person who provided the clue.  It's Rob and/or one or more of The Sheckys.  Perhaps even Ken is involved.  Could this be some kind of bizarre prequel to another H-cow thread? 


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55 letter anagrams are extrememly difficult unless one gets really lucky. Even with software, its not an easy task because the dictionary of possible words goes up dramatically.

I give it a shot and let you know, but don't hold your breath.

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Okay, I won't hold my breath...but I think I once saw you figure out a 48 letter anagram, so you might just be able to figure this one out. 

I might dig out my scrabble game and play around with the letters.  The anagram finders on the web often leave me more confused.


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Yes the 48 letter one... well I knew "hyperacusic" and "cow" were part of it.  That eliminated quite a bit of free letters. Also "the worlds' first" was quite easy to get from the context. But here, there is no real context. Even "bus" cant be part of the anagram. So this one is trickier....much trickier.

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DP,

You also did 50 letter anagrams on page 6 of the cow thread, and "cow"was the only obvious word in everything you came up with, so with the help of a small miracle you just might be able to figure this one out. 

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Anagrams:

I am this mysterious cow although now answered adjustments.
I am the mouth-watering cow and seriously shows adjustments.
I am the cow as worthwhile studying as enormous adjustments.
I'm the witty unglamorousness or adjusted what's-his-name cow.
I am the wordsworth's adjustments as ingenuously, I am the cow.
  
It appears to me that the biggest snafu in figuring out the anagram is this...

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You must use a one-letter abbreviation in the rearranged sentence to stand for a commonly used word in the original sentence.

Seems like you first need to figure out the abbreviated word in the original sentence, before you can begin to sort out the anagram.  !!!!!!???

I think I'll go sit on my stool for awhile...


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DP,

Um....about that alien theory I've been suggesting since I started speculating on answers to the bus riddle.  I was just playing with my scrabble game trying to sort out the anagram and discovered part of the letters spell  EXTRATERRESTRIAL ENCOUNTER.

Although that still leaves me 30 letters to arrange, maybe there's something to my initial theory.  I will pursue it more later.  Must get some sleep.

Meanwhile ponder the implications of the attachment.  What highway was that bus really traveling on?


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This came in my inbox today which I am passing to the readership.

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You must use a one-letter abbreviation in the rearranged sentence to stand for a commonly used word.  That letter can be found in the original sentence.
 




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DP,

Really now... this is starting to feel like the cow thread, except this time I see you are the messenger instead of SandyTH. 

Whatever...I'm still working on my alien theory for the anagram. 


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This came into my inbox today... another clue:

In PART A, correctly solving all -- and even part -- of the anagram holds the key to the answer to this part.  In other words, you need not solve the entire anagram.  It is possible that locating a single word in the anagram could provide the key to answering this most confounding of questions.  The key, of course, is to find that word.  Alternatively, if you are so inclined to find it, another clue is planted somewhere in Rob's posts in that thread.  
 
Here is a clue to finding the clue:  San Francisco is a nice place to be from.   
 
In PART B, regarding the marital status of the bus driver, we can say with certainty that on 9/15 he is a married man because he wants us to know that.  His marital status at the time of the bus trip described in PART B may have been the same or it may be different.  If it his marital status was different when he drove the route described in this part, then Darcy's recent guesses would apply and should not be ignored.  We know for certain that on 9/15, the bus driver was married.    
 


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In PART A, correctly solving all -- and even part -- of the anagram holds the key to the answer to this part.  In other words, you need not solve the entire anagram.  It is possible that locating a single word in the anagram could provide the key to answering this most confounding of questions.  The key, of course, is to find that word.  Alternatively, if you are so inclined to find it, another clue is planted somewhere in Rob's posts in that thread.  
 
Here is a clue to finding the clue:  San Francisco is a nice place to be from. 

Gee, I really should be able to come up with this answer.  I live 20 minutes from San Francisco.

I still  think the word extraterrestrial is a good possibility, either that or ET, or alien.  SF is a very liberal and accommodating city for all kinds of life forms. I mean look at how well they take care of ducks.  They provide them with free, comfy, red tennis shoes. and give them priority seating on the cable cars. 



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This ChinBenWah

I riv San Francisco. Answers to riddle written on wall in Chinese Restaurant. 

I not rie.I find words Chinese Restaurant in anagram.

You pay now 10 thousan dollah, I get answers.

MasterCard,Visa, American Express,Debit Card.



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Um..... Chin

FYI - the letters in the anagram also spell:  

DONT TRUST CHIN

DONT TRUST THE CLUES

THERE IS NO ANSWER TO THE RIDDLE!!! (exclamation points mine)


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SAT questions indeed.  I am convinced these questions were dreamed up by Moriarty and have no answers.  They most certainly are not elementary deductions.

I believe Ms. Darcy's deductions come closest to answering the twisted riddles:

A.  alien abduction

B.  teleportation

Or if you prefer in Urdu:

A.  ajnabi aghwa

B.  Shehteer mujhay neechay Scotty.
(There appears be no word in Urdu for "teleportation" so Ms. Darcy advised that "Beam me down Scotty" was sufficient.)


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