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Curry

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It's been a while since I posted something on here besides the "headphones on a airplane" a few months ago. The reason why I'm making this post is, a couple days ago, I was having lunch at work when my spoon hit the bowl in the right spot causing it to make a loud clack sound. It irritated me as I tried to eat the remaining bites of what was left in my bowl. I was able to finish it, but it got painful to the point where I was tearing up, which usually happens to me if it gets really loud towards my ear.

From the title, I guess I can say my ears have reset it self to the point where it's as if I'm getting H again for the first time. I don't know why this has caused it, maybe because I removed earwax? Not sure, but I hope to get better soon. To those who do it the natural way, where you don't use hearing aids or TRT and listen to sound with just your ears, how has it been for you?

What's even crazy is, just 1 year ago (not exact date) but this was the month when I started developing H and I don't know if my ears are trying to expose me this is my 1 year anniversary of receiving H... Anyways, I would like to hear with those who do it the natural way... 😊
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I’ve been trying not to overprotect at all and honestly keep getting worse. Very discouraging! I have a 6 year old who can be loud, go out on the street, drive etc usually all without ear protection, but I find my tolerances continue to lower and my ear fluttering / tightness / tinnitus getting worse. Sorry to offer bad news.

I will say that last year when my H started in October, I followed a similar approach and felt like my H was gone in Jan. It came back after a visit to an arcade in Feb [frown].
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Nice to know I am not alone with what I am going through right now. Last year, I was going through a struggling phase cause of this, and overtime it started getting better. I still was able to live my daily life without crumbling down, but just this month, it was crazy again like as if the cycle is restarting again.

Sorry to hear about what you are going through also. I have once never used ear protection to protect my ears cause we all know about how bad they are overtime. Are there other methods you try to do? I remembered when I first had it, I did pink noise from YouTube for a couple days and I guess it kind of worked? But I read that sometimes it doesn't help so, I stopped doing it...
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I always listen to ocean sounds. I’ve tried a bit of pink noise here and there- going to start more consistently tomorrow.

Is yours loudness H or pain H?

My condition is making it very hard to live a normal life and to be a parent [frown].
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Curry

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Ocean sounds doesn't sound too bad. I'm going to try and keep embracing it. Hopefully it'll become better. I believe right now I have loud H? I feel like loud H and pain H are the same thing, is it not?

You got this as a parent. Don't give up!
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Pain H and loudness H are different symptoms, according to the Hearing Health Foundation:
  • Loudness hyperacusis: moderately intense sounds are perceived as too loud

  • Pain hyperacusis: a stabbing sensation at much lower sound levels than would typically prompt pain. This is sometimes described as a sharp or dull pain in the ear, jaw, or neck, feeling of fullness in the ear, or a tingling in the ear according to Lindsey Banks, Au.D.

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https://hearinghealthfoundation.org/about-hyperacusis

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Curry

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I guess I have like a 60% of loud H and 40% of pain H? I mean, it's not like the pain where I'm really hurting so I think it's more like loud H...
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I'm the same as you, Curry. Mostly loudness H but I do get fullness feeling / tightness
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The major drawback to 'reset the natural method' approach is discipline.  For sound therapy to work you need a disciplined approach of ideally 8 hours a day listening to broadband sound in an open air environment.  This has achieved the greatest success in improving decreased sound tolerance.  A go-it-on-your-own approach is most often no real plan at all.  It sounds good, costs nothing and usually provides occasionally relief until the next loud sound event.  If you have been through a Loudness Discomfort Level test to validate your decreased sound tolerance and, in many cases, also have a feeling of pressure/fullness/pain in the ears you need a disciplined approach.

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I'm the same as you, Curry. Mostly loudness H but I do get fullness feeling / tightness


We will get through this, and so will everyone else!
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The major drawback to 'reset the natural method' approach is discipline.  For sound therapy to work you need a disciplined approach of ideally 8 hours a day listening to broadband sound in an open air environment.  This has achieved the greatest success in improving decreased sound tolerance.  A go-it-on-your-own approach is most often no real plan at all.  It sounds good, costs nothing and usually provides occasionally relief until the next loud sound event.  If you have been through a Loudness Discomfort Level test to validate your decreased sound tolerance and, in many cases, also have a feeling of pressure/fullness/pain in the ears you need a disciplined approach.

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When you say listening to broadband sound, you mean generated white or pink noise in a public environment? Is that what you're saying? And no, I have not gone to a LDL test because I know the results will not make me happy. Also, that is very true on what you said about doing it the natural way usually provides occasional relief until the next loud event. I try to stay away from loud sounds, then when it comes to time to that event, I'll be prepared, but next day my ears feel like crap...
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When you say listening to broadband sound, you mean generated white or pink noise in a public environment? Is that what you're saying? And no, I have not gone to a LDL test because I know the results will not make me happy. Also, that is very true on what you said about doing it the natural way usually provides occasional relief until the next loud event. I try to stay away from loud sounds, then when it comes to time to that event, I'll be prepared, but next day my ears feel like crap...


Please listen to Dan.  He knows what he is talking about  It does help most people including me.  Do sound therapy in a systematic way.  Don't just hope you will get better on your own the "natural way."  Also, I have found relaxation techniques very helpful in reducing likelihood of a relapse after noise exposure.

You can do sound therapy with a pink noise cd, wearable sound generators, or both.  I found both helpful.
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Please listen to Dan.  He knows what he is talking about  It does help most people including me.  Do sound therapy in a systematic way.  Don't just hope you will get better on your own the "natural way."  Also, I have found relaxation techniques very helpful in reducing likelihood of a relapse after noise exposure.

You can do sound therapy with a pink noise cd, wearable sound generators, or both.  I found both helpful.


Aplomado, I would never disregard what Dan says. He's a professional, and that's something I take a part of my life. I just wasn't too sure what he meant when he first offered me advice. I wanted to make sure I was taking the necessary or right precautions. Will any headsets do if I do sound therapy? I don't really have any other headsets besides "Bluedio." It's something I've used in the past, but don't know if that's considered to use..

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Broadband pink noise will not achieve the desired result of improving your decreased sound tolerances (DST) if all other sounds are blocked out.  In other words, do not listen to the broadband pink noise with headphones that cup the ears because they (the headphones) are blocking out all sounds. Open air headphones are called open air because they simply rest against the outer ear and allow all other sounds to be heard no matter what space or environment you are in.   Furthermore, never use noise cancellation headphones to listen to broadband pink noise.  Although you might think it would be an advantage to block out other sounds while listening to broadband pink noise – it is counter-productive.  Hearing other sounds not only compliments your therapy but also provides a helpful distraction to your ears.  If you don't hear the pink noise because something else in your environment is momentarily a little louder and essentially masking (covering up the sound) of the pink noise, the pink noise is still working at reconditioning your ears.

Open air headphones are not expensive.  I just checked Amazon and this is a good illustration of open air headphones.  Notice how they do not cup the ears but instead just rest on the outer ear thereby allowing other environmental sounds to be heard.

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-KPH30ik-Headphones-Microphone-Lightweight/dp/B075FBRYM1/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=open+air+headphones&qid=1585314783&sr=8-18

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Dan, out of curiosity, how is Rob doing these days? Was he able to retun to music?
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Broadband pink noise will not achieve the desired result of improving your decreased sound tolerances (DST) if all other sounds are blocked out.  In other words, do not listen to the broadband pink noise with headphones that cup the ears because they (the headphones) are blocking out all sounds. Open air headphones are called open air because they simply rest against the outer ear and allow all other sounds to be heard no matter what space or environment you are in.   Furthermore, never use noise cancellation headphones to listen to broadband pink noise.  Although you might think it would be an advantage to block out other sounds while listening to broadband pink noise – it is counter-productive.  Hearing other sounds not only compliments your therapy but also provides a helpful distraction to your ears.  If you don't hear the pink noise because something else in your environment is momentarily a little louder and essentially masking (covering up the sound) of the pink noise, the pink noise is still working at reconditioning your ears.

Open air headphones are not expensive.  I just checked Amazon and this is a good illustration of open air headphones.  Notice how they do not cup the ears but instead just rest on the outer ear thereby allowing other environmental sounds to be heard.

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-KPH30ik-Headphones-Microphone-Lightweight/dp/B075FBRYM1/ref=sr_1_18?keywords=open+air+headphones&qid=1585314783&sr=8-18

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Thanks for the advice on how to use the pink noise effectively and the link to a open air headphone. I will definitely keep these in mind. I know the recommended hours is 8 per day, and it can be split within the day, but what is the timeframe on when the pink noise is actually effective for us?
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Dan - do you think the quality of the headphones matter? Is it bad to go too cheap b/c the might sound tinnier / more high freq sound?

https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Headphones-Lightweight-RP-HT21-Silver/dp/B00004T8R2/ref=sr_1_7?crid=16LE77KFI70BJ&keywords=on+ear+headphones&qid=1585626822&s=electronics&sprefix=on+ear+h%2Celectronics%2C396&sr=1-7
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Here is Frederico's success story doing the "natural method":

https://hyperacusisfocus.org/hope/frederico-hyperacusis-story/

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SalFaz

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I’m worried because I’ve been doing the natural method for 2 months and just seem to be getting worse :/
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Wow, Fredericos story sounds like a success to me! I'm hoping that'll go my way also!🤞

SalFaz, sorry to hear it's not going well for you. I don't believe it will get worse as long as you don't surround yourself around loud strenuous noises. There will be times when you need to go through it, but remember you're still here and it's not the end of the world
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Dan - do you think the quality of the headphones matter? Is it bad to go too cheap b/c the might sound tinnier / more high freq sound?


I think those headphones would be just fine.

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Fredericos story sounds like a success to me! I'm hoping that'll go my way also!


Let's be clear here.  If you can rent a house on the beach and take 2 years to work on decreased tolerance (DST) - go for it.  Most do not have that luxury.  Sound therapy is designed to improve your DST in a matter of months, not years.  After sound therapy one should continue to work at their sound tolerances but wear earplugs in events or activities that are loud.  

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Dan,
I purchased a cd of pink noise years ago but it was not useful.  How do you get pink noise that last for hours?  Having said that the pink noise  drove me crazy for one hour, but I am willing to try again.  But I do have to wear hearing aids to understand people because of my recruitment problem.  Still, I could use the head phone much of the time as I am retired.
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Dan,
I purchased a cd of pink noise years ago but it was not useful.  How do you get pink noise that last for hours?  


Buy a CD player that has a repeat track function.  That is what I did.
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I don't have a lot of faith in the natural method as that's what I have / had been doing, and I don't seem to be making gains. I think pink noise is the way to go for me! 
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I don't have a lot of faith in the natural method as that's what I have / had been doing, and I don't seem to be making gains. I think pink noise is the way to go for me! 


SalFaz, sorry to hear about that. I hope whatever you're doing will help you with your ears. 

I hope Dan reads this, but I've been looking into the headphones that SalFaz asked about and what you recommended, and if there's one where it says on ear headphones that have the shape similar to a Beats headphones, would that still be acceptable? (this is just an example of what I was explaining) 

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-zx-series-wired-on-ear-headphones-black/8618232.p?skuId=8618232
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