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Lawaai is als probleem nooit serieus genomen – door Joost Smiers

16 januari 2010.

http://weblogs.nrc.nl/expertdiscussies/lawaai-is-als-probleem-nooit-serieus-genomen/#more-3728

 

Een klein berichtje dat je makkelijk over het hoofd ziet. De Europese Commissaris van Industrie, Günter Verheugen, wil dat elektrische auto’s lawaai gaan maken. Eerbiedig buigen we ons hoofd voor zijn argument: omdat hybride voertuigen zich geluidloos voortbewegen worden ze niet opgemerkt en gebeuren er ongelukken.

 

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Noise as a problem has never been taken seriously – by Joost Smiers

January 16 2010.

http://weblogs.nrc.nl/expertdiscussies/lawaai-is-als-probleem-nooit-serieus-genomen/#comments

 

A small message that one could easily have missed / one can easily overlook. The European Commissioner of Industry, Günter Verheugen, wants that electric cars will be going to make noise. Respectfully we bow our head for his argument: because hybride cars move soundless, they are not going to be noticed and accidents will happen.

 

 

The entire text in Dutch (and the comments of others to it are underneath the writing of Prof. dr. Smiers) can be read at the above website.

 

I apologize for not translating more from all that Joost Smiers wrote, but in short:

 

In his opinion written at Expertdiscussions of the website nrc handelsblad, Prof. dr. Joost Smiers explains why exactly at this moment in history an absurd mistake of the previous century can be corrected (At the beginning 20 th century: still the choice to be made between cars with benzine/gasoline motor or cars on electric). Right now there is the chance to take an important source of (sound-) nuisance out of circulation. And (unwanted) noise causes healthproblems. (15 effects for/on health mentioned in his text as well).

 

Prof. dr. Joost Smiers is preparing a publication about stray noise.

 

Love, Mirjam


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This is important ! I read the whole thing. Why does someone want the world to turn backwards like this ? ( Maybe you should write a comment on the problems people with serious hyperacusis have with traffic-noise ? My dutch is not good enough to do that.) 


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Dear Kirsten, and everyone,

 

I was so happy Kirsten to read that you in Norway were able to read the whole (Dutch) thing. That is really wonderful! I have made a comment there after reading your reply to my post. I have asked the attention for people with hyperacusis and tinnitus etc, and also wrote that if Professor dr. Smiers hadn’t looked into the problematic (and the existence) of people with hyperacusis and tinnitus yet, if he would be willing to do so, also in the preparation of his publication about stray noise.

 

It will take me some time, but I will translate the entire Dutch message of Prof. dr. Smiers into English. When it’s ready I will post it here so that everyone here from different countries also will be able to read it, because I agree with you that this is important! Thank you Kirsten.

 

Love, Mirjam


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Hi, Mirjam !  Thanks for your kind words !  It is great that you wrote a comment !  Hyperacusis need to be known to the world.

It is not so strange that I can read Dutch, because I have studied in Amsterdam and Rotterdam.  I love The Netherlands a lot and miss it.  When ( notice that  I say when and not if !) I get well enough I will go back and visit my old pub.
Dutch is actually easy for Norwegians to learn to read. My biggest problem was to understand how to pronounce the U. My book on how to learn Dutch was in English, and it explained how to round my lips in a certain way... It was a laugh when I discovered that the Dutch U is exactely the same as the Norwegian one !
                                                    Dutch kisses from Kirsten.

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Hello dear Kirsten,

 

Aha, nu komt de aap uit de mouw! ;-)

(Aha, there we have it ;-)  )

 

Thank you very much for your sweet reply!

I never actually read Norwegian but I think it will still take quite some effort for the Dutch or for me as a Dutch person to learn Norwegian. So I’d like to give you a compliment again indeed for having learned Dutch.  Being here (in Holland ;-) and studied here yes must have helped a lot. And I so much hope that you will be able to return here one day.

 

Hugs and Dutch kisses from me back to you too!

 

Love, Mirjam


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Dear all,

 

Below is the translation into English that I made of the opinion of Prof. dr. Joost Smiers, written at Expert discussions of the website nrc handelsblad, January 16 2010.

 

With love, Mirjam Vonk

 

 

http://weblogs.nrc.nl/expertdiscussies/lawaai-is-als-probleem-nooit-serieus-genomen/#more-3728

 

 

Saturday January 16 2010 by NRC Handelsblad

 

Noise as a problem has never been taken seriously

 

A small message that one can easily overlook. The European Commissioner of Industry, Günter Verheugen, wants that electric cars will be going to make noise. Respectfully we bow our head for his argument: because hybride cars move soundless, they are not going to be noticed and accidents will happen.

 

By Joost Smiers (expert stray noise)

 

Of course we don’t want that. So it seems the logical solution to provide these new automobiles with a form of sound. That is putting the cart before the horse. We are living in a world in which we are surrounded by an excess of all sorts of noise. To name a few things: crackling motor-cycles, non-stop and not asked for and unwanted music, loud screaming visitors of café’s and other people passing by in the street, and lawn-mowers, factories and aircrafts, that sing along a strong tune. Now there is a chance laying to be picked up to take an important source of nuisance out of circulation, and what happens: the Commisioner acts as if he is sham deaf. But, is that necessary?

 

Exactly at this moment in history an absurd mistake of one century ago can be corrected. Let us go back in thoughts to the end of the nineteenth, beginning of twentieth century. The car was in full progress of development, but it was not yet a settled thing how it would be driven forward. There were two possibilities: electric was a serious option, but ultimately it became the gasolinemotor. It is too ridiculous for words. What was one of the arguments in that choice? The gasolinemotor had a masculine radiation: it made noise, and if something had to be done under the hood, it produced dirty hands with which you could put up a show as a real man.

 

The macho’s of that period have saddled us with a decision that is rather absurd, ànd one that clearly has been making us pay. Just reckon, all those millions of people who are living in the wide neighbourhood of roads, or are walking in forests, and who non-stop are being harassed by a penetrating cloud of humming, sometimes loud, sometimes somewhat in the background, but always present. It is not hard to imagine how pernicious it is to never have a moment of silence, not one moment of rest. Of course, you learn to live with it. What else can you do? But nevertheless, it hits your heart.

 

Meanwhile we know, that smoking of cigarettes, and also the unwanted smoking along with that, is a danger to health. Something that is far less known, is that noise that you do not wish, at least causes as many problems for health, maybe even more. The effects that are mentioned in specialised literature are amongst other things: sleepdisorders, heartrhythmdisorders, bad effect on blood-vessels, irritatedness, looking for trouble / being agitated, lack of concentration, lessened achievements, stress, headache, depressions, decrease of appetite, fatigue, nervousness, fear, decrease of libido.

 

Naturally, not everybody, in each phase of his or her life, is bothered by that, and certainly not at the same time, or only just somewhere vaguely present, and also not every source of noise is disturbing. This does not alter the fact that unwanted noise forms a more or less heavy psychological and/or fysical burden for several tens of thousands of our populations. That is a terrifying percentage. Because noise is never been taken serious as a problem, a big taboo to talk about it prevails. Do you have to step towards the branch manager in the supermarket to mention that you are troubled with the backgroundmusic? You already know the answer that you are the exception, but most likely that is not true.

 

If we know enough by now, or are able to know enough, about the dangers of unwanted sound for health, is it wise then to make the electric car noisy while, techincally speaking, it is not necessary at all? Asking the question is to answer the question. Of course not.

What a relief it would be for millions of people when the noise of traffic no longer harasses their lives, and there is no need anymore to keep the windows shut, because otherwise it is not liveable / no life?

 

Let us assume that Eurocommisioner Günther Verheugen isn’t a macho and thinks that the snorting of an engine is masculine and wants to keep it for that reason. Probably he is a good person who doesn’t want us to walk under a car. Because of the “higher” good of traffic safety and the prevention of innocent victims, shouldn’t we then nevertheless accept a noisy car? There are three answers to give to that. The first one is a somewhat chilly calculation. How many victims – dead and wounded – are we talking about if the soundless car runs over somebody? Several tens of thousands, let’s say hundred in entire Europe. That is considerably far and far less than the millions of people who daily, in any form, get tensed from the noise of cars. The second answer is training: accustome people to the fact that a vehicle can arrive, also when it doesn’t make a sound. And as third answer, cyclists don’t make a sound, yet we as pedestrians do not bump into them regularly.

 

Now a small lesson Europe for a minute. Without us really being aware of it, there will be accepted a Directive – that is a law – in this case about the obliged making noisy of the electric car. Next, the Member States of the European Union need to root that Directive in their own legislation and car manufacturers need to add sound to their electric vehicles. Then there hardly is a way back anymore: the car continues to make noise, just like the previous century. The proverb that is indeed very appropriate here is: Prevention is better than cure.

 

Prof. dr. Joost Smiers is co-author of Adieu auteursrecht en vaarwel culturele conglomeraten (Goodbye copyright, farewell cultural conglomerates). He is preparing a publication about stray noise.

 


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Thanks, Mirjam, you are sweet !  And thanks for taking the trouble of  making the translation !
We have an example here in Norway too were people don´t realize what a big problem noise is :  They want to have a hardrock-festival just a few meters outside a block with only eldery people, exept for one person !   I don´t know the % of eldery people who have recruitement, but I think it is large. Plus all the other conditions leading to soundsensitivity, like migraine. I am mad !  I must write something in their local newspaper.
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Thank you Kirsten,

 

I think that if someone is up to it, it’s a good thing to be active in getting the world to know about hyperacusis, tinnitus, earmyoclonus and other hearingproblems.

Although there is the chance that you bump into walls of incomprehension, there just will not happen anything if you do nothing. Being active and getting heard takes a lot of energy and perseverance but I also feel that it gives you positive energy to be working on something and to get your voice heard.

There are many articles on internet newswebsites as well, where it’s possible to leave a comment.

Everyone: Take the chance when you’re up to it.

 

Anyone who has read my translation of Prof. dr. Smiers opinion and anyone who thinks she or he can make a difference or thé difference to spread the word about this, do get active!

And if you know ways to get the attention or how to influence the Politics, in the Netherlands and in Europe and in the entire world, about the crazy plan of adding noise to quiet electric cars, please don’t hesitate to take action or start writing people, contact people, as well.

 

Don’t ever think there is nothing you can do about things and that you are not important.

You are!!

 

Love, Mirjam


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You are right !                 Love, Kirsten.


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Thanks again Kirsten.

 

 

'Noise is a silent killer'

 

Cardiologist Marc Goethals (in Belgium) warns for the consequences of sound nuisance.

Noise severely damages health day and night.

 

http://www.nieuwsblad.be/GT/Index.aspx?genericId=638&articleId=9O2LDVHN

 

 

'Lawaai is een stille doder'

 

Cardioloog Marc Goethals waarschuwt voor gevolgen geluidsoverlast

 

The article is in Dutch.

 

Love, Mirjam


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Hi Mirjam !  I have read it and agree !
                                  Love, Kirsten.

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You're great Kirsten, thank you very much for letting me know that you've read it all and for taking the time to do so.

On the internet I learned that for the English word love 4 Norwegian words are possible.
I don't know which one to chose ;-)  :

Elskede, kjaereste, elske, kjaerlighet
Mirjam

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                                    Kjære Mirjam !
Haha - that is funny !  If you use those words it will mean that you are seriously in love with me !    So be careful - I am single !  Hihi...
But you can start a letter with :  Kjære (dear ) Mirjam and end it with
                              Kjærlig hilsen (lovingly greeting) Kirsten.

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