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brittbrat

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i hate noise. i cant stand when people chew, tap, walk, cough,vacuum,sip,pour thing,sneeze, and a lot of other stuff to. i dont know why i act that way. it gets me very angry when i hear the noise. i either blow up or leave before i explode.i know im not the only one who is like that. if someone reads this can you let me know how you deal with it.
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Hi Brittbrat,
No, you are not alone in feeling this way.  I also have this condition and have had since I was 12 (I'm now 37).  My reaction to the sounds I hate (gum popping, chewing, sniffling, dogs licking, etc...) is anger, rage, anxiety, urge to flee.  For many years I thought I was nuts, and my husband did too, until I found this site and others like me.  It was a complete relief just to know that I was NOT crazy. 

How to deal with it comes down to what works best for you.  Until there is research done, and a solution to our problem, we must do what we can to minimize our frustration.  A lot of that comes with acceptance of our issue, and the fact that we cannot change other people and the noises they make, no matter how much it bothers us.  Second, realizing that the way we react is the problem, not the sound itself.  We will always be exposed to these sounds the rest of our lives, so we need to learn to handle the reaction better.  Some people use earplugs... I would not recommend that because (at least for me) it made it worse.  Plus, your ears can become sensitive to all sound if they are plugged up all the time.  Plus, you are not really living life if you can't hear the sounds you do like... such as music (for me).  Some use iPod's to mask the sound... this is what I did.  But then I got annoyed by the fact that I felt I had to wear it or go nuts.  That is when I decided to tackle this problem head on and take back the control that the sounds now had over me. 

There are many places (including the archives) on this site that discuss Misophonia (or 4S, soft sound sensitivity).  I would recommend reading up a bit about that and you will see you are not alone.  One thread in particular is where I learned how to deal with this problem a bit better.  It is here from the archives:  http://www.chat-hyperacusis.net/post?id=3136612&trail=250
start reading about post #244.   It talks about how you can really analyze the thoughts that go through your head when you hear a sound you don't like and how to try and change those thoughts to enable you to stay in the situation longer.  It's called Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT).  Rob from this site, taught me how to apply this to my own life on that thread.  I have been working on this for over a year and though it is very difficult and takes time, I  have been able to enjoy things again such as going to a movie with popcorn munchers without knocking their teeth out

Despite learning this therapy, I still have the problem... it's part of me.  Some sounds have become much easier to deal with while others are just as horrible.  But, any relief is great, and I'll take it and run!  I have learned to live again and not be controlled by the sounds.  I am the boss now.  I still get upset, anxious, angry at times... but I learned that all that will pass, and I'll live.

Sorry this was a novel (ha ha), but I wanted you to know that you are not alone... there are many who feel your frustration.  Stay positive, gain control.

Darlene

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ok thanx alot. i appreciate it. the hardest part about it is not being able to escape the noise at school.

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Darlene,

Your messages are so articulate, obviously heartfelt, and brilliant. 
Combined with your conciseness, patience and humor, your posts make a difficult topic a bit lighter and seem manageable.
If you ever write a book on the subject, just because I appreciate your ability to simplify and be so articulate (not always so easy,) can I write one of the jacket reviews?

Debbie


PS Thanks to Rob for taking the trouble to take you through those exercises because they offer such a helpful tool to you and any others who put the same effort into doing the exercises as you did and do.
And CBT exercises can be helpful to all of us, not just those with misophonia.


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I wish I was limited to eating sounds only. But instead,my whole world of "talking mouths affects me. All I hear is saliva sounds and lip smacking from just about everyone! There is no hiding or excusing yourself. Your wife,kids,parents all become a threat to you as it causes so much stress. I have to drink some alcohol to relax enough to get through the day. T.V,radio all have the same annoyances only amplified! First Hyperacusis and now this! I thought that it wasnt possible to have both. Well, I am a living testimony that you can! I like silence and cannot stand people who talk!(audibly).If I dont get treated for this, I will surely be getting treated for a mental breakdown.
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i have a feeling that might happen to me too. i came close to it but i dont no how it did not happen. i wish you the best of luck.

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Darlene --

I never did go as far in that thread as time permitted and as I would have liked.  I can't tell you how thrilled I am for you that it was helpful to you and I think it's wonderful that you've made progress.  By far, the most inspiring thing for me about that thread -- was you.  Great, great work!

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If you ever write a book on the subject, just because I appreciate your ability to simplify and be so articulate (not always so easy,) can I write one of the jacket reviews?


Debbie,
Thank you so much.  My mom always told me I should write a book.  I did write a story in college for my English class and my professor forced me to enter it into a contest.  I won.  It's now being circulated in college as an example.  Perhaps my mom is right (mom's usually are).     By the way... I like the way you write as well and enjoy reading your posts.  You can write a review anytime!

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By far, the most inspiring thing for me about that thread -- was you.  Great, great work!


Awww.  Thanks .  I will always appreciate the time you took to help me and everyone else with your knowledge on the subject.  You didn't have to do any of that but you chose to and it will continue to help me and others as well, so I thank you!



saab1216... I can't imagine how difficult that must be to be bothered by speech.  But, don't underestimate the power you hold within yourself.  I know it's frustrating, and seems hopeless, but don't give in to those feelings.   I am not limited to eating sounds only.  My dogs licking bugs me, other people's dogs barking bug me, certain birds bug me.  There is no place I go that I don't encounter something that bugs me.  Such is life for those with this problem.  I've accepted that fact.  I know that tomorrow I will get irritated but it will pass, it always does.  I've learned to let go of the anger quicker than I used to.  There's no stopping it initially, but the after effects can be changed to a degree.   Don't lose hope for yourself.  Anything is possible.


Darlene


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I just don't even want to think about not being able to not tolerate people talking and soft sounds...have only had that on a couple of occasions just this past week and know it's only because I am so extra sensitive at the moment...H isolates us enough without that as well...I can't tolerate eating noises if I'm not eating as well but they don't affect me like other noises do - just irritating...
There is a difference between the irritating sounds, noises and those that really do impact on the body...For me my anxiety levels really do dictate to the irritating sounds...usually only a problem during a setback..

Lou

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Britbrat said:
"i have a feeling that might happen to me too. i came close to it but i dont no how it did not happen."

I think it does not happen in those whose brains are not physically able to focus with such consistency and intensity on this exact type of data.
I know this flies in the face of Jastreboff's model, but the evidence (as I have expressed in other posts) seems overwhelming that this condition is not fundamentally due to conditioning or learning.
 
It is clear that positive conditioning of one's brain to move on despite the tendancy towards the symptoms helps dramatically, but it seems very unlikely that the symptoms themselves come on due to negative conditioning.
 
Instead, it seems likely that this pattern of symptoms reflects a change in the functioning of the brain, a change that can affect life experiences, not the other way around.
 
Debbie

 
 


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Hi Debbie, (((( Smiles ))))

I agree. I just had this converstation with my sister over dystonia.
She has never been diagnoised with it like me but she has certain symptoms of it that come on like mine do mostly only under stressers or excitment and her stressers seems to be alittle different then mine but in some ways similar.
She thinks something in childhood she noticed that bothered her a family thing set this off but from reading all the posts on this SSSS4/Misophonia thing whatever someone wants to call it fine with me..
I believe this is a neurological nervous system involvement physical thing that could go into remission or wane and wax like dystonia can a person could get better one day or not and it's steady go or may worsen or have symptoms that wax and wane too.
I know this for a fact because I have been studying up on dystonia for years and reading the newsletter about different peoples symptoms and weither they improved or not  and I know this to be true about this neurological ect condition.
I told my sister I don't believe that lead to your condition but you noticed this as something that bothered you because of this condition coming on at that time. 
So this disturbed you alot and while your condition progressed it built on itself and you noticed more things that built on itself because it's a neurological thing.
I've learned so much from this board and just searching around the web in general and will share it here and there when I can.
What could possible effect ones condition possibly make it worse or maybe cause it it's just food for thought and a person can do with the information whatever they want with it reject it or look into it  themselves.
But I was glad to have this converstation with my sister because this has been a sore spot in her life the memory of this and yes the brain is must be focusing on things others would not really notice or would not bother them and can't seem to filter it out or deal with it so it's like chaos to the brain.
To put it in concept for a person, does help emotionally and stress wise physcially as well because of the stressers that trigger these many different named conditions.
That may have some simularitys between them even with their differences of effects..
I kind of liken it to a spectrum of things because you could have distonia, MS, lyme, Autism ect and still be different in having differences from your fellow sufferer even within hyperacusis or the sounds of tinnitus that you expirence..
I believe there is something to all that and instead of distancing ourselves from that we need to look at the total picture and say..
Whats going on here and what could be the possible causes of all this and there may be more then one like with H but with a common denomenator like Debbie brought up somewhere else on the board.
Because of school being out and limited time. I'm glad that Debbie is spending  so much precious Thank You"  time on this issue as I believe it is an important one two.
Lots of helpful people and information on this board and it all can be helpful in many different ways and worth looking into.
Whatever may help and whatever we could possible try to do.
 
I think it does not happen in those whose brains are not physically able to focus with such consistency and intensity on this exact type of data.
I know this flies in the face of Jastreboff's model, but the evidence (as I have expressed in other posts) seems overwhelming that this condition is not fundamentally due to conditioning or learning.
 
It is clear that positive conditioning of one's brain to move on despite the tendancy towards the symptoms helps dramatically, but it seems very unlikely that the symptoms themselves come on due to negative conditioning.
 
Instead, it seems likely that this pattern of symptoms reflects a change in the functioning of the brain, a change that can affect life experiences, not the other way around.
 
Debbie




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Hi Britbrat,

I regret that I misunderstood what you were referring to above, sounds like you are saying you have misophonia and narrowly averted a breakdown over it.
I hope you can apply some of what Darlene is referring to help ease things a bit.

I had read your post and wrote mine as if you were saying you do not have misophonia but are concerned about the possibilty of coming down with it. 

Wishing you well and again Darlene (Gizmookie) has some great thoughts on getting through to see brighter days.

Sincerely,

Debbie



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Thats True, (((( Smiles ))))

Darlene is a great support for this condition as she expirences it herself she knows how it feels.
When a person has hyperacusis and expirences not being able to tolerate people talking and soft sounds and high pitched sound..
That in many cases can improve and get better.
It got better for me overtime.
Though it may seem like it will never get better sometimes it takes longer for it to go away.
But with this other type of disorder, it is probably a good idea to try to nip it in the bud earlier on too.
But I do agree with Debbies basic premises on this issue in general.
On what I posted above which I forgot to put in quotes but posted what that was. 
What came first the chicken or the egg.
I think the disorder the glitch came on first which is why a person notices things that bother them that others can tune out or find no problem with. But yes..
It could build on itself so trying to nip it in the bud is a good thing to work on.
I can't say 100 percent this disorder is OCD or related to OCD though it might be as alot of neurological disorder or spectrum disorders can have multi symptoms like anxiety ocd going on with their main diagnoise of condition so ocd could go with it as well as other things that go with spectrum like disorders as maybe a common denominater area of effect involved.
But Dr Richard L. Beckers was talking about studies on OCD and IP-6 & Inositol and it has been helpful in alot of people for that condition.
Gaba is good for anxiety and B vitamins for the nerves and as natural substances can be powerful yet not harmful or mostly not harmful depending on the supplement, as perscription drugs can but because of their powerful effect and lots of medications are made out of natural plants things found in nature if you are taking any prescription medicine also check out first what these supplements can do example as...
you don't want to thin your blood too much taking like supplements that work like drugs do of course, with those type of medication ..
but if you eat food nutrients, most supplements are like that but you got to study on what they are for and why you are taking them.
For me I get my info from Foundations For Healing Richard. L Becker, D.O Cracking The Metabolic Code Dr James B. LaValle he is a clinical pharmacist, Dr Cass Ingram, Dr Russel Blaylock he's a neurosurgent , Georges M. Halpern, MD, PHD, Stephen T. Sinatra MD, F.A.C C., F.A.C.N., C.N.S, Dr Block, Elizabeth Lipski, Ph.D., CCN ect.. and there are so many of them helpful in this way with an alternative view on things that can be helpful.. compementry with therapy when your regular doctor may not have the answer for you.
Sometimes we need to look out of the box on certain things and try to help ourselves in whatever way we can do so to complement whatever other treatment therapy that we try to do as well.
Research on it first of course but digestive wellness and healthy body chemistry by people who research into these things can be informational and helpful as well in many different ways.
If you are not already searching into that of course.
You may be already doing that but I have found it helpful for me.. 
But Darlene has first hand expirence with this so your at the right place to get some help with this. (((( Smiles ))))     

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well i've tried everything and nothing seems to work. I just exploded yesterday. THANKS for everything everyone.

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Hi Britbrat,

The techniques that Darlene referred to in her post above are part of cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT.)
The ability to cope with many conditions can be often helped with CBT, especially when done with a therapist who specializes in it.
Have you considered seeing a therapist who does this approach, and someone who (you can establish prior to seeing that therapist) has an understanding of and compasssion for your condition (someone who would be willing to read this and other misoponia threads for example and has a point of reference.)

You probably can move towards being able to manage the experience of having misophonia, vs. being overwhelmed by it, and CBT is probably one important tool in being able to do so.

Let us know how you are doing and what you are doing to find some more support and help.

Sincerely,

Debbie

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