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solauerbach

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the last 24 hours ive been hearing a beeping sound repeating in my head every other second.
its based on an annoying beeping sound i heard regularely in a certain room in the place i work at.
it was from a battery i think in a smoke detactor that was old and dying. they finally replaced it and the beeping noise is gone, but its been repeating in my head the last 24 hours and has been driving me up a wall.
any help on what to do about this is urgently needed and appreciated.
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number one, don't distress over it ... don't think of it as something sinister because it is not. The sensory system can cause you all kinds of symptoms sounds. I know cause I've had them ... and it will most likely go away in time. You can hear sounds that aren't there sometimes just based on memory, past experience with the sounds. One example is when you her a piece of music over and over again your head ... 

I know that things like lawn mowers and other sounds that caused me problems early on in dealing with hyperacusis, would show up in my head ... hear them when they were not even there. Nothing to be concerned about.

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solauerbach

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thanx for your response.

how do i deal with it though?
ive tried so many things and nothing seems to work.

how do you deal with it?

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I would treat it  like one treats problem tinnitus. Go in a quiet environment for short period and consciously listen to the sound and evaluate how you feel about it, say 10 seconds or so. If you feel anxious or upset about it, tell yourself things like "It no big deal" "It doesn't mean anything" "it's just phantom perception"

That is what most tinnitus is, phantom perception. 

Once the sound ceases to elicit a negative reaction you will find yourself ignoring it and that is how habituation of reaction happens. It's about training the auditory subconscious, sub-cortical brain. Anyway, it has always gone away for me but it can take time.

You also have hyperacusis? Working at gradual desensitization will also help. Use sound enrichment in quiet environments, work at exposure desensitization with sounds you tolerate well. 

If you do some reading on this site: http://www.tinnitus.org  it will help you understand. Read about TRT and tinnitus, as well as TRT exercises and sound enrichment.
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DrNagler

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I would treat it like one treats problem tinnitus.

I respectfully disagree.

As I see it what solauerbach is describing is neither tinnitus nor a problem. To me it sounds like an auditory hallucination as solauerbach's brain is mimicking the beeping sound no longer present because the battery from the smoke detector has been replaced. And that being the case the last thing solauerbach should be doing is learning about TRT or seeking out sites like tinnitus.org on the web.

Solauerbach, the sort of thing you are describing is not at all uncommon and will in all probability resolve on its own within a week or so. Try to avoid silence if at all possible - since in a silent environment will make the beeping sound that much louder. But beyond that - stay active, stay productive, stay away from tinnitus sites and tinnitus boards, and just give it a little time.

In my opinion.

All the best -

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solauerbach

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once again, thanx for the response.

the first time i had an episode like this was when i came down with tinnitus 4 years ago, but somehow since then whenever this stuff came up it was able to shrugg it off but havnet been able to do it this time.

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Dr. Nagler, I do agree with your advice, however it sounds a lot like TRT, and the advice I just gave him. Honestly, people show up here and we know nothing about them or other challenges they may be facing. So takes some time to find out some things. 

Solauerback, It may go away in a short time or it could take longer. And I know from my own experience it can take some time and it helps to understand that it is nothing to be concerned about or related to damage. Just a conditioned reflex in my opinion, not damage ... be patient and it may resolve. If not there are other things you can do, like I already mentioned. Nothing wrong with learning about TRT and how to use sound enrichment.
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DrNagler

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John I do not think what our new friend here is describing is tinnitus, and I think that at this point in time there is a whole lot wrong with his investigating TRT and other things related to tinnitus. That was my whole point.

So I guess we disagree.

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Johnloudb

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Dr, Nagler, the advice you gave was based on the Jastreboff model and TRT (avoidance of silence, not distressing, trying to go about life normally) ... Demystification of symptoms is an important part of TRT ... And he has tinnitus as well so ... Yes, we disagree
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Solauerbach - 

You aren't describing tinnitus or hyperacusis.  I would go about your day without doing anything special.  I wouldn't spend time in a quiet environment, actively listen to the sound, or evaluate your feelings about it.  I wouldn't purposely ignore it or gauge your reaction to the sound.  Trying to "treat" it or "train" yourself to respond differently to it will only serve to keep you more engaged with it.  Reading about TRT or doing exercises will also just keep you engaged with it.  Within one or two weeks, the symptom should go away by itself.  You can help things along by letting it run its course, like a common cold, and not attempting to understand it or look for information about it.  Put yourself around normal sound and let some time pass.  

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Solauerbach - 
You aren't describing tinnitus or hyperacusis.  I would go about your day without doing anything special.  I wouldn't spend time in a quiet environment, actively listen to the sound, or evaluate your feelings about it.  I wouldn't purposely ignore it or gauge your reaction to the sound.  Trying to "treat" it or "train" yourself to respond differently to it will only serve to keep you more engaged with it.  Reading about TRT or doing exercises will also just keep you engaged with it.  Within one or two weeks, the symptom should go away by itself.  You can help things along by letting it run its course, like a common cold, and not attempting to understand it or look for information about it.  Put yourself around normal sound and let some time pass.  
Rob


Thank you.

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Johnloudb

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He already is engaged with it ... That is why he here ... I agree the less he is engaged with it the better. That's the point
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DrNagler

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He already is engaged with it ... That is why he here ... I agree the less he is engaged with it the better. That's the point

So as I understand it, John, you are suggesting that the way a person who has been experiencing a readily explainable auditory hallucination for a day or so should become less engaged with it is by focusing on it through reading through a website designed for individuals with severe intrusive tinnitus and through doing exercises that require his to listening to it in a quiet environment.

I do not see it that way at all. I'm absolutely tracking with Rob on this one.

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Johnloudb

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Nothing wrong with taking a few hours to learn, ever ... I've always found it helpful to understand how the auditory system works and helped aleviate my concerns. Good reading for anyone with tinnitus ... And he's had these other auditory symptoms before and might have again. However, I don't expect he will get to it any time soon ...
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solauerbach

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first of all, i appreciate all your time and effort.

second of all, ive had tinnitus (24/7 ringing in the ears) and hyperacusis (sensitivity to loud noises with the occasional whistling after effect of noises) since january 2012.

they both were difficult to deal with for about 6 months but none of it bothers me anymore.

ive had earlier episodes with this, but the noise is one i got used to and it ceases to bother

i will definately give each of your advice strong consideration.

i dont remember how or why i habituated to it all 3 and a half years ago, but i was on medication then (something ive been off for a month cuz it had bad long term effects).

i work in a quite setting in a funeral home and i live alone, but i always have music playing.

like i said, im gonna give all your advice a shot, but i hope its not schizophrenia (though ill ask my dr next week, but i doubt he'll say it is. he's very ocnservative with his diagnosis)

 

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Sol, I don't think you have schizophrenia or anything of the sort.

You are experiencing an audiological phenomenon due to imprinting. It is a type of auditory hallucination, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with mental illness or schizophrenia. And it has nothing to do with your tinnitus either.

Just listen to Rob. He gets it. He really gets it.

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Johnloudb

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Dr. Nagler,

Maybe if you or Rob could briefly explain what imprinting is, and why your advice is helpful it might vary more weight. Can you of Rob point us to where we could find out more about it.

I've also had this a lot and it usually happened with sounds that caused me problems in the past or sounds I worried about, lawn mowers or computer fans or the like.

Sola,

If you do have hyperacusis and tinnitus there is absolutely no reason not to learn more about it if you want to or haven't already.
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DrNagler

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Sol came to this board complaining of a one day history of beeping sound that he says was "based" on a beeping sound he heard regularly at work that had suddenly stopped. He wanted to know what to do about it. I stated what I thought it was and gave my opinion regarding what to do about it. As it happens, that opinion differs from yours.

In years past, John, I would have gone toe to toe with you over this - but you yourself said that likely Sol will not be following your advice any time soon. And whether or not my opinion carries more or less weight - as long as Sol doesn't follow your advice any time soon, he'll be just fine. Which is all that matters.

It's about Sol - not about you, me, or Rob.

Carry on.

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Johnloudb

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If Sola should do some reading, in addition to the other suggestions I gave, I think it could be very helpful to him. It is all about Sola ...

I feel I have very good reasons for giving the advice I do, and if you or Rob are going to criticize it, then I'm going to defend and discuss it. It's too bad we have to split hairs on someone doing some 2-3 hours of reading about these issues on a website, but so be it.

I found gaining understanding of our auditory and sensory system vital in moving forward all kinds of sensory issues. 
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It's too bad we have to split hairs on someone doing some 2-3 hours of reading about these issues on a website, but so be it.

John, there is a time for everything.

What Sol got from Rob and me is all he needs to know at the moment.

Rob said it best:

"You aren't describing tinnitus or hyperacusis. I would go about your day without doing anything special.  I wouldn't spend time in a quiet environment, actively listen to the sound, or evaluate your feelings about it.  I wouldn't purposely ignore it or gauge your reaction to the sound.  Trying to "treat" it or "train" yourself to respond differently to it will only serve to keep you more engaged with it.  Reading about TRT or doing exercises will also just keep you engaged with it.  Within one or two weeks, the symptom should go away by itself.  You can help things along by letting it run its course, like a common cold, and not attempting to understand it or look for information about it. Put yourself around normal sound and let some time pass."

This is not the time for Sol to be doing exercises and filling his head with ideas about intrusive tinnitus by reviewing the material at tinnitus.org.

In my opinion, of course. But what the hell do I know anyway!

Sounds to me, John, that being right is more important to you than being helpful. I do not happen to think you are right in this case, but even if you are ... you are not being helpful.

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John wrote: "You also have hyperacusis? Working at gradual desensitization will also help. Use sound enrichment in quiet environments, work at exposure desensitization with sounds you tolerate well.

If you do some reading on this site: http://www.tinnitus.org it will help you understand. Read about TRT and tinnitus, as well as TRT exercises and sound enrichment."

Dr. Nagler, I asked if he hyperacusis and pointed him to Hazell's site ... So what? And he also has hyperacusis. You need to chill ...

And it doesn't matter if it had been 24 hours or 8 weeks. If he is distressed and upset about a sound in his head that won't go away, then facing the sound and evauating it from a neutral perspective for short periods can help relax the sensory system, and retrain how he responds to it. Doesn't matter if it is tinnitus or anything else. It is simple ...

Do some reading on mindfulness ...

You don't change how you respond to a sound you hear by trying to avoid it ... Doesn't matter if it is tinnitus or an auditory hallucination, or other sound.
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You don't change how you respond to a sound you hear by trying to avoid it ... Doesn't matter if it is tinnitus or an auditory hallucination, or other sound.

John, you are suggesting that Sol needs to change how he responds to a particular sound. What Rob and I are saying is that in Sol's case the particular sound Sol is experiencing will likely resolve on its own in short order - so how he responds to it will be irrelevant. Rob and I gave Sol some simple recommendations in that regard, suggestions designed to keep an uncomplicated and likely self-limited auditory phenomenon from becoming more than that. The gist of those recommendations is that he try to avoid silence, stay active, stay productive, and avoid devoting any more time to thinking about his auditory system than is absolutely necessary. Your recommendations require him to do the opposite - you want him to study the material at tinnitus.org and moreover do exercises that require him to attend to his auditory system.

Now as it turns out, in addition to the auditory phenomenon that Sol is currently experiencing, he also happens to have tinnitus and hyperacusis. If his tinnitus and hyperacusis are clinically significant (i.e., if either or both are bothersome to him), then at some point in time he may well benefit from following your suggestions. But in my opinion this is not that point in time.

You will undoubtedly disagree. But whether you do or don't, I really have nothing further to add.

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Don't stop, I'm just warming up more popcorn here.
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Johnloudb

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Lol Paulbe [smile]

Dr. Nagler, Given that some people have auditory hallucinations that don't go away you can hardly say that it will go away. You know what a positive feedback loop is ... It is a self sustaining loop. It doesn't have to go away.

If he can just not think about it and go about business then great. You think listening to it for ten seconds a couple times a day, and doing techniques to reduce anxiety about it is going to make things worse. I disagree ... I think it would help especialy if this countinues to be a problem for him. I do really hope it just goes away for him.

I am not making him think about it ... He's doing that on his own.

If it is no longer a problem for him ... then great! He doesn't need to do any exercises. If it continues then he can try some exercises, and other things. It is up to him.

Well, it takes two to tango ... I honestly don't care to argue with you. I have better things to do , I'm sure you do as well.

Best, John
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Given that some people have auditory hallucinations that don't go away you can hardly say that it will go away. You know what a positive feedback loop is ... It is a self sustaining loop. It doesn't have to go away.

Then you'd be right, John, and you can celebrate.

Sol, if you'd like some help with this - no strings attached - just contact me off the board at:

info at atlantatinnitus dot com

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Johnloudb

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Dr. Nagler, I have no need to be right ... If you'd like to share your secrets you're welcome to post them here. I'm also open to learning ... And others here might benefit.

However, from what I've read on imprinting and auditory hallucinations ( outside of brain damage, drugs, or mental illness ) it is a learned behavior and often happens as a result of negative or even positive experience. Makes sense ... And fits with the Jastreboff model, and my personal experience.

Regards,
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I don't know if you are still hearing the beeping sounds but is their some construction around you, even down the street or do you live or have you been near a shopping area where trucks are delivering things? We now have full-blown construction, 2 houses now and 2 to go, probably for around 3 or 4 years now. The trucks that go onto the properties and beep, beep, beep. By night-time I heard beeping all the time. They have been working 6 days a week and thank goodness the trucks are finished. And the grinding cement trucks and the claw that tears down houses. So loud!

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