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Ok so i'm just getting started in self treating with pink noise & an amazing thing happened today!

 So i leave my house just planing on going to mail out for the Networks pink noise CD & also Buy new heaphones (fell of ladder last friday & broke old ones) While on the way down to the mall i call my friend i told i would give a bunch of DJ CDs so he could give them to his friends.
 I end up stopping by his house & his Dad has a professional Studio in his basment the room was built to pro specs & sound treated with a nice pair o studio monitors Dynaudio BM6A. Well they wanted to listen or have me listen to it in that enviroment, so he turned the music up to a level i thought was really REALLY loud & he stated thats normal level he does his work at! this guy knows a lot and not to have them cranked cause it's not good for your ears but also cause fatige faster!   so just for the sake of it i didn't tell him to turn it down instead he let me sit in the swEEt spot in the chair he works from & after about 25 min of music that level he has to go.
 Now i'm just waiting for the pain to start & waiting & waiting & OMG ...nothing 
 so i think my room and studio monitors could have been constantly naking my hyperacusis worse & would never let them get better!
 Granted i still have to wear musicians ear plugs when i DJ out or go to a concert but thats better for your health even if you don't have hyperacusis

 So today was a big turning point for me i'm still stilling smiling as i write this & i believe i can fully recover with the help of the Networks CD & DR.Jastreboff book from 2007
 Tinnitus Retraining Therapy: Patient Counseling Guide
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Tinnitus-Retraining-Therapy/James-A-Henry/e/9781597561556/?itm=2

so thanks to Dan Malcore & the people who constantly help people out on this Message board!!!!!!!!!!

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Congratulations to you JohnnyD ! That must feel so awesome

Just make sure to take it easy on the ears for a while. They are a weak spot at the moment and I do think the body is holy and you should listen to its signs well.

I wish you all the best in recovery and good luck with your treatment



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Glad to hear it Johnny!

Please be careful!  You don't mention dB levels and I don't know your whole history but know that you go for months and then can have setbacks, I feel like I've been sort of steadily improving but have had big dips, and had just travelled, airplane can set me back for a bit, and apparently ipod at the gym and a few bursts and now 2 days pretty much no sleep have me feeling like I did 2 months ago ear wise in some respects, so just don't over-expose, I think even if you are feeling better take baby steps, usually I would "spring" back but this time it hasn't yet and sounds are feeling shrilly and sharp again in some way not as bad but I don't  really want to qualify here.
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Ive had set backs kick in a day or two after exposure so be careful

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Guflu & Charlenef thanks for your advice & support  


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Glad to hear it Johnny!

Please be careful!  You don't mention dB levels and I don't know your whole history but know that you go for months and then can have setbacks, I feel like I've been sort of steadily improving but have had big dips, and had just traveled, airplane can set me back for a bit, and apparently ipod at the gym and a few bursts and now 2 days pretty much no sleep have me feeling like I did 2 months ago ear wise in some respects, so just don't over-expose, I think even if you are feeling better take baby steps, usually I would "spring" back but this time it hasn't yet and sounds are feeling shrilly and sharp again in some way not as bad but I don't  really want to qualify here.


 The guys Studio i was in yesterday said that it was around 80-85 DB and my LDLs are 95-100 which i think there might be a different frequency in my range that the audiologist maybe did'nt get that my speakers put out that frequency & it just resonates in my room.   
  So all you are right you got to learn to crawl before you can walk and the last thing i need is a set back!!

but what really made me happy is that i got the information i  requested from
 http://www.hearingbalance.com
The New England Tinnitus and Hyperacusis Clinic
& within  it says in most instances Hyperacusis can be Cured!!
 Now i'm looking thru this they have about 9 different test that they do & i only had hearing & LDLs done the other day so if i don't notice improvements from my own actions i will then save the money and go there. but i'm almost positive with DR. Jastreboff new book i can overcome this. 


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Hi Johnny,

How are you doing today?
Soundwise? Do things seem ok?


I think others here have good thoughts about taking it easy soundwise for a bit- to see how you are doing.
Though with those high LDLs you mentioned - hopefully everything will be fine though :-)

Though I usually notice some sort of increase in levels of sensitivity of my hearing/ears fairly quickly after (within minutes to ??) or during sound exposure that is "too much for me" -
I have had setbacks that did not make their full presence known immediately,
but after a day or two I usually have a good idea of their severity.

When my hearing gets more sensitive I will generally try to take it easy around sound for a bit, (and  try to be careful around other sounds that are known to make my hearing more sensitive. )
For example- I have a difficult  time, many times  with talking on the phone, - so if my hearing is already more sensitive, I may try to limit the amount of time I spend on the phone, if possible. And with other things, I won't try to push my limits at those times, as far as sound goes)
I find that if don't overdo it, soundwise. when my hearing gets more sensitive- I am better off.
as I have found that further sound exposure- to things that are "too much for me", at those times, can make things more difficult, For Me.

As far as the DJ-ing  and concerts go -
you mention-

 Granted i still have to wear musicians ear plugs when i DJ out or go to a concert but thats better for your health even if you don't have hyperacusis

You are right. as far as the hearing protection. And it would be wonderful if more people realized tat as well.

Also remember that some sound/sounds can be bone conducted, and it may be a good idea to remember that using earplugs only goes so far sometimes.
And I think it may be a good idea to be a bit extra careful around subwoofers.
 
With the speakers in your home-
you mentioned-
so i think my room and studio monitors could have been constantly naking my hyperacusis worse & would never let them get better!

There is alot that can affect how things sound in a room  -
 like the carpeting, curtains and even the furniture in a room -
Also the positions and angle of the speakers, and where one sits in relation to them.
If you think your studio monitor speakers are hard on your ears, I hope you can find something that sounds better. And is easier for your hearing.
Also with subwoofers, depending on how loud someone has them up,
I imagine they could shake the floor, furniture, and whoever is sitting in it.
And like I said, some sounds are bone conducted.
Though I would have no idea if that would be a factor in what you mentioned, as far as making your hearing more sensitive.at home.

As far as how things sound that would go for concerts and other events as well-
which is why if I ever get to the point of being able to go to a concert again- I will personally take many things into consideration. As some venues have very little to offer in the way of sound dampening characteristics. And for my particular situation-
There are certain types of venues I will steer clear of, because of that.
Those venues don't usually have the greatest acoustical qualities for concerts anyway though. But other venues, like some outdoor ones, are more along the lines of what I will consider, if and when I even get to that point. (But that's just my personal viewpoint, and also keep in mind our situations are Very different.)

You said-
The guys Studio i was in yesterday said that it was around 80-85 DB and my LDLs are 95-100 which i think there might be a different frequency in my range that the audiologist maybe did'nt get that my speakers put out that frequency & it just resonates in my room

Could that be low frequencies? I wonder if you turn the subwooferr(s?) off (if It's on) or turn it down, if that may help? I don't know much about settings on those - and am thankful my home stereo does not have them :-) though if it did- I would turn them off. (but then I am still sensitive to bass anyway......)

Glad to hear that you have a positive outlook and attitude!

Take care
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Originally Posted by aQuieterBreeze
Hi Johnny,

How are you doing today?
Soundwise? Do things seem ok?


I think others here have good thoughts about taking it easy soundwise for a bit- to see how you are doing.
Though with those high LDLs you mentioned - hopefully everything will be fine though :-)

Though I usually notice some sort of increase in levels of sensitivity of my hearing/ears fairly quickly after (within minutes to ??) or during sound exposure that is "too much for me" -
I have had setbacks that did not make their full presence known immediately,
but after a day or two I usually have a good idea of their severity.

When my hearing gets more sensitive I will generally try to take it easy around sound for a bit, (and  try to be careful around other sounds that are known to make my hearing more sensitive. )
For example- I have a difficult  time, many times  with talking on the phone, - so if my hearing is already more sensitive, I may try to limit the amount of time I spend on the phone, if possible. And with other things, I won't try to push my limits at those times, as far as sound goes)
I find that if don't overdo it, soundwise. when my hearing gets more sensitive- I am better off.
as I have found that further sound exposure- to things that are "too much for me", at those times, can make things more difficult, For Me.

As far as the DJ-ing  and concerts go -
you mention-

 Granted i still have to wear musicians ear plugs when i DJ out or go to a concert but thats better for your health even if you don't have hyperacusis

You are right. as far as the hearing protection. And it would be wonderful if more people realized tat as well.

Also remember that some sound/sounds can be bone conducted, and it may be a good idea to remember that using earplugs only goes so far sometimes.
And I think it may be a good idea to be a bit extra careful around subwoofers.
 
With the speakers in your home-
you mentioned-
so i think my room and studio monitors could have been constantly naking my hyperacusis worse & would never let them get better!

There is alot that can affect how things sound in a room  -
 like the carpeting, curtains and even the furniture in a room -
Also the positions and angle of the speakers, and where one sits in relation to them.
If you think your studio monitor speakers are hard on your ears, I hope you can find something that sounds better. And is easier for your hearing.
Also with subwoofers, depending on how loud someone has them up,
I imagine they could shake the floor, furniture, and whoever is sitting in it.
And like I said, some sounds are bone conducted.
Though I would have no idea if that would be a factor in what you mentioned, as far as making your hearing more sensitive.at home.

As far as how things sound that would go for concerts and other events as well-
which is why if I ever get to the point of being able to go to a concert again- I will personally take many things into consideration. As some venues have very little to offer in the way of sound dampening characteristics. And for my particular situation-
There are certain types of venues I will steer clear of, because of that.
Those venues don't usually have the greatest acoustical qualities for concerts anyway though. But other venues, like some outdoor ones, are more along the lines of what I will consider, if and when I even get to that point. (But that's just my personal viewpoint, and also keep in mind our situations are Very different.)

You said-
The guys Studio i was in yesterday said that it was around 80-85 DB and my LDLs are 95-100 which i think there might be a different frequency in my range that the audiologist maybe did'nt get that my speakers put out that frequency & it just resonates in my room

Could that be low frequencies? I wonder if you turn the subwooferr(s?) off (if It's on) or turn it down, if that may help? I don't know much about settings on those - and am thankful my home stereo does not have them :-) though if it did- I would turn them off. (but then I am still sensitive to bass anyway......)

Glad to hear that you have a positive outlook and attitude!

Take care


AHHH your going to laugh i'm trying to! i just spent around 20 mins typing back to all of the above mention and i hit something on my keyboard & got sent to the hyperacusis.net home page  ahhh i'm going to try to reply ASAP but got to get some stuff done ATM
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It seems that the better the quality of speakers, the worse the result is for me pain-wise.

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HI Johnny,

You said-
i hit something on my keyboard & got sent to the hyperacusis.net home page

I have had some similar things happen before,  and found that the "back" button will help in many cases. (I wonder if   it could be "saved" in your browser's "history" on the computer or not?)  Having that kind of stuff happen is frustrating, but it can be nice  to know how to recover from it in the future.(took me awhile to figure it out too.)

Hi Ben,

You mentioned-
It seems that the better the quality of speakers, the worse the result is for me pain-wise.

Can you explain what you mean by "better" quality? Do you mean the amount of sound they are capable of putting out? Or ones that reproduce more of the "richness" of the music?

I do wonder if some of what may be considered "better quality" speakers these days may be a bit heavy on the bass? Though I don't know for sure.
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Anything with a subwoofer definitely hurts.  My good quality computer speakers (which have a subwoofer that cannot be disconnected as the speakers run through it) definitely hurts.  But a boom box or the crappy computer speaker I have upstairs (hurt considerably less)

My iPod through very good quality headphones hurts (over the ear, which I know is counter to Rob's protocol).  I just tried to lesser quality (and on-the-ear) headphones and they seem to hurt less.



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Hi Ben,

you mentioned-
Anything with a subwoofer definitely hurts.  My good quality computer speakers (which have a subwoofer that cannot be disconnected as the speakers run through it) definitely hurts.

Can you adjust the settings so the sub is not on?
Maybe there is a way to turn the bass down, or the sub off  somehow,
through adjusting the sound and/or sound card settings on your computer?

With your ipod, are you trying to listen to something in an uncompressed format,  Or something in a compressed format?  And I wonder if it would make a difference?
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The subwoofer has a bass knob which I turned all theway down, plus I put it up off the ground which decreases its effect.  And yes I do listen to everything in lossless format rather than in MP3 or compressed format.

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Found the equalizer, and the "bass reducer" setting, in iTunes so we'll see how things go.

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Yes the bass reducer setting on the iTunes equalizer helps me tolerate the music -- good news!

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Anything with a sub woofer definitely hurts.  My good quality computer speakers (which have a sub woofer that cannot be disconnected as the speakers run through it) definitely hurts.  But a boom box or the crappy computer speaker I have upstairs (hurt considerably less)

My iPod through very good quality headphones hurts (over the ear, which I know is counter to Rob's protocol).  I just tried to lesser quality (and on-the-ear) headphones and they seem to hurt less.



Maybe your PC Speakers Really Emphasize on the frequency that bothers your ears more, i noticed with my friends good quality PC speakers the highs and mids where really loud (he didn't have a sub) with studio monitors there designed to have all the frequencies flat & not have one more exaggerated then the other, this way when they do the mixing & mastering everything sounds exactly as it should. For instance say i have a pair of monitors that put out a lot of high end, during mixing & mastering i would EQ or filter the highs so they didn't overpower the mix, Now when i thought the track was final i would  burn it to CD or Ipod & as soon as it got played on a car stereo they highs would so dull and not glue the track together!
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HI Johnny,

You said-
i hit something on my keyboard & got sent to the hyperacusis.net home page

I have had some similar things happen before,  and found that the "back" button will help in many cases. (I wonder if   it could be "saved" in your browser's "history" on the computer or not?)  Having that kind of stuff happen is frustrating, but it can be nice  to know how to recover from it in the future.(took me awhile to figure it out too.)


ARGH it happened again  i hit the backspace when i was trying to Delete a Emoticon, I tried everything with negative results so i gave up

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Ben,

You mention-
Yes the bass reducer setting on the iTunes equalizer helps me tolerate the music -- good news!

And that makes me smile. Thanks. Happy listening :-)

Also, I wonder if there is some setting that will allow you to turn the bass down, if necessary, for other sounds etc. on your computer? (If it is a problem for you)

Johnny,
you mentioned-

 it happened again  i hit the backspace when i was trying to Delete a Emoticon, I tried everything with negative results so i gave up

Maybe you just gave a hint as to why that happens sometimes- maybe it has to do with the
emoticons? (It does not happen to me that frequently, just sometimes. And maybe that explains it?)
Anyway- It was the Browsers BACK button I was referring to, not the back button on the keyboard, (just to clarify)
Hope next time it works if you ever need to do that.

And I hope things are going well for you.
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Anyway- It was the Browsers BACK button I was referring to, not the back button on the keyboard, (just to clarify)
Hope next time it works if you ever need to do that.

And I hope things are going well for you.


LOL yeah i know which one , I'm the One who's usually helping all my frineds with questions & repiars on there PC!


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Hi Johnny,


"How are you doing today?
Soundwise? Do things seem ok?
"

the following Monday my ears where really sensitive, I went snowboarding & was yelling because of the epic conditions, near the end of the day my ears where hurting :-( 

"I think others here have good thoughts about taking it easy soundwise for a bit- to see how you are doing.
Though with those high LDLs you mentioned - hopefully everything will be fine though :-)"

yeah i'm defiantly going to take there advice! I think that had to be wrong with my LDLs cause i can't even put music up enough past road noise with out my ears killing me after!


"If you think your studio monitor speakers are hard on your ears, I hope you can find something that sounds better. And is easier for your hearing.
Also with subwoofers, depending on how loud someone has them up,
I imagine they could shake the floor, furniture, and whoever is sitting in it.
And like I said, some sounds are bone conducted.
"

I need to sound treat my room & also upgrade my monitors for producing!

 About the bone conducting sound, i never, ever thought about that thanks for the tip!!!!

"Could that be low frequencies? I wonder if you turn the subwooferr(s?) "

I have no subs in here just near field monitors.
tweeter & 8 inch speaker & there a pair so that would be X-2
the frequency response is 50Hz to 21Khz  so  the low end i can hear but it doesn't make much of a presence in the room.
Also the speakers never go loud @ all if you where here & i had them playing we could have a perfectly normal speaking conversation while the music is playing!

Thanks for your help & sorry it took so long to reply
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Johnny,

you replied-
the following Monday my ears where really sensitive, I went snowboarding & was yelling because of the epic conditions, near the end of the day my ears where hurting :-(

Were your ears really sensitive Before you went snowboarding, and yelling?

(When my hearing/ears are more sensitive I take it as as sign to take it easy soundwise.......)

That may be good to remember when you get back to your DJ-ing especially when you first get started in it again.

As far as not being able to handle the music-
you said-
I think that had to be wrong with my LDLs cause i can't even put music up enough past road noise with out my ears killing me after!

Are you talking about at home, or in your car?
If it's in your car? Do you have subs in the car?
Also Does it would matter what you are listening to?
Maybe something else would easier on your ears? Especially when they get more sensitive.....

Re about the computer-

I'm the One who's usually helping all my frineds with questions & repiars on there PC!

Thanks for letting us know.:-)
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