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I would use logic to try to define the difference between psychologic and physiologic. What do
you think?

Is the measles psychologic? Hardly anyone would agree with that. How about an ulcer? Is it a psychologic condition? Well, if we open you
up, there will be a bloody lesion in your gut, that is clearly physical, but how is it connected with stress? Is stress psychological? Well maybe, someone can make you feel very bad if they are mean or rude to you, purposefully, but what happens in the body
and brain? Are there actual physiologic changes associated with depression, mood swings, feeling bad or sad? Clearly particular proteins are released when we cry, that is a physiologic sign, however, what makes us cry? Someone 'hurt' our feelings?

Are feelings psychological or physiologic or a combination? When someone compliments us, we turn pink, we glow, we radiate happiness,
we retaliate with warmth and good feelings........our hands and feet actually increase in temperature, our hearts beat a little faster, we produce happy hormones......

The fact is, we cannot separate our minds and bodies. That is an error of science. WE can think, and those thoughts are really translated instantly into complex bio-chemical changes. Even our intentions, without action, produce changes in blood flow, sugar
uptake, electical current, and metabolic processes.

How can we decide? Let us consider the innocent 9 year old. Why does this young child, busy with playing, suddenly decide to become psychologically impaired and develop hyperacusis? Do you imagine that is the first thing that comes to a child when they are thwarted or unhappy to mistreated......not at all. Most children cry, go to sleep, even run away from home, or hit out, but they rarely suddenly develop a very unusual shift in sensory perception. That would be like a child who is going along fine and then suddenly loses sensation in three of five fingers on each hand. From stress or mental or emotional concerns.

Hmmm.

If we do have physiologic changes, though, does this mean we are immune to feeling-thinking changes? Or psychological ones? If I have an accident, and my nose is cut off, do I develop anxiety and concern
and emotional problems when I go out into public and people stare at me? Of course. Yes, we can develop quite strong feelings about the way things are in our bodies or brains, our weaknesses and our
strengths!

We are multi faceted and I will propose that our physical and psychological bodies are, indeed, one. Not two. Intertwined, co-dependent, united, one. Not opposing forces, or somehow a two-ness.


Can we develop conditioned responses? Of course or we would be dead. When the snake bites once, we watch the damn thing forever more. Keep it away!

When the sound pricks us, needles us, tortures us, we watch for it, oh very yes, like a rattlesnake, we watch for it, and prepare and anticipate and try to stay away from the stony dry hills where those
nasty reptiles reside.

Because we are sentient intelligent beings. Not stones. We can think with our heads and hearts and we feel so bad when the trigger person is a loved one, and yet, the sensitive person is not Choosing this, not at all.

ANd so, you see, I am firmly convinced by the children. Children do not lie about this or need to develop some weird psychological thing that NO ONE has ever heard of, or told them about, or seen. They do not. And yet, I receive, each week, 1 to 3 letters from parents of young children who have selective sound sensitivity.

ANd for some of you, many of you, it does not go away or shift necessarily. It just becomes part of the fabric of your lives, and like living with an unwanted Siamese twin, you are co-joined to it so closely, that it seems as if it had been there forever.


But if you think back, you might remember those pre  days, and know that this was NOT a voluntary or invoked emotional response, but more like a case of BRAIN measles..........not your fault, not your doing,
not your responsibility.

A glitch in the system.

A physical problem with psychological overlay. Reasonable supportable overlay.

Marsha Johnson, M. S., CCC-A
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Oh Marsha, (((( Smiles ))))

 

That was very well thought out..

I liked it..

 

I totally agree with what you wrote..

Who would ever choose to suffer from this..

Something a child has never ever heard of before..

It couldn't be suggestion..

It's a totally physical glitch.. 

 

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A glitch in the system.

A physical problem with psychological overlay. Reasonable supportable overlay.


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My Goodness, (((( Smiles of Total Surprise)))) 

 

That means there are alot more out there that just don't know

what they have at this time...

 

Marsha Wrote...

 

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I agree Marsha!It's holistic.When one faction is affected, it is my belief they all are. Mind, body and spirit.All connected as you say.
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But if you think back, you might remember those pre days, and know that this was NOT a voluntary or invoked emotional response, but more like a case of BRAIN measles..........not your fault, not your doing, not your responsibility. A glitch in the system.

 

This is the first thing that was explained to me, by my 3-specialists.

 

Overall I have found this knowledge not supported on this board, thus it has been a very positive experience for me to read your post. 

 

Thank you for taking the trouble to post.

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Hi Debra, (((( Smiles ))))

 

Isn't Marsha so right on.. I really appreciated what she wrote...

 

I'm pretty much on vacation .. kind of .. myself..

 

Schools out.... But I pop'd on to see whats going on on the board.

And I like your new saying.. Sometimes I feel like that as well myself...

 

Pulled from all sides.. Do you have young kids ??  ((( Smiles )))

 

Debra Posted...

 

 

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A Blessed day to all members,

 

Firstly, can I say a big thank you to everyone who welcomed me to the network. Thank you for your advice and kind words.

 

I was just reading through some of the posts and have come across Marsha's post on 'Psych or Phys?'  and I wanted to respond to this and share some of my views.

 

Without wanting to speak for everyone else, I am sure that many of us who have been living with H&T has had to deal with doctors posing this very same question - 'psych or phys'. 

 

This for me has been one of the most frustrating experiences when dealing with doctors. I have always insisted that the onset of H&T was purely a physical one, all the symptoms I was relaying to doctors were all of a physical nature, i.e.: pain in ears, buzzing and electrical sounds both internal and external etc.  As time and symptoms progressed, and with the symptoms becoming increasingly worse, psychological affects began; which to me would seem quite normal, given that one's auditory sensory mechanisms have now changed there must also be an accompanying psychological affect to this change.

 

However, my frustration is not just of the psychological overlays of this condition, but rather, some doctors believing it to be purely a psychological one in itself.

 

There is nothing more frustrating than a doctor saying "tell yourself you can't hear the electrical current being omitted from the fridge or the frequencies coming from the TV etc"... advice like this has often left me feeling completely hopeless.

 

Now however, as I have learnt more about H&T, I respond to doctors who simply believe that one can 'switch off' what has obviously been 'switched on' differently, and try to get them to understand why in my view this condition is not a psych one but rather, a physical one which changes the psych. When a doctor now tells me to 'switch off' these continuous sounds I respond by asking them to cast their mind back to when they didn't know what 2+2 equalled. This often causes them to pause and think, and realise that once you know that 2+2 equals 4, you can't simply reverse your now aware mind back to a state of being unaware. Even though one could say that knowing 2+2 = 4 is simply a psychological one, a change in perception so to say.

 

Before having H&T I was not even aware that these sounds and frequencies even existed in my environment, it has been just as a shock to me to know my environment is filled with all these sounds besides the electrical sounds one hears internally, therefore, I believe now that saying to the hyperacusis sufferer to simply turn off these sounds is like asking those who know the 2+2 equation to unlearn the answer. And it would be a great relief if instead of doctors saying it's simply psychological if they instead helped the patient to deal with the new psychological changes this physical condition has created.

 

Johnathan Hazell's research seems to sum it up very well for me: in his paper he expresses 'from birth we hear new sounds and develop an emotional response to these sounds, every time we hear a sound our brain matches it against what we have already learnt and its emotional tag' - for the H&T sufferer however, our ears have suddenly been given a completely new script, with no emotional attachment hence the often feelings of distress, anxiety, disorientation etc the H&T sufferer experiences.

 

How one deals with this new script/language is probably where psych plays a greater role than phys. The difficulty is of course, very few people are aware of this new script now being fed to our ears, and this subsequently further impacts on the sufferer's psych.

 

In my experience, I would say H&T is a physical condition manifesting itself into a whole new psychological experience.

 

With love

Yasmin

 

 

 

 

 


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Oh , That's So Well Said... ((( Smiles )))

 

I like that Yasmin.. That was my expirence as well..

You summed that up rather nicely... 

 

 

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In my experience, I would say H&T is a physical condition manifesting itself into a whole new psychological experience.

 

With love

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I do not completely disagree but...the senses, especially hearing, is very much connected to emotional state. There is no reason (biologicaly) that a neuronal damage leads to better hearing. It can in the frist moths but in the long run the system reorganizes and the neurons make new connections.

Some hints about the psychological side hyperacusis:
+ If I'm happy I never have hyperacusis
+ I have sometimes facial pain when there is no sounds and sometimes I have no pain when there is loud sound
+ When I try to concentrate/learning noises annoy me very much (though they are not very loud)
+ I have less problems when I have to so something. When I'm bored or I'm waiting then I have more problems.
+ When you are thinking all the time about how bad you life is

Hyperacusis is also some kind of attentional problem. Attention is one key to live a successful life. We all need to listen to certain sounds while we also need to filter certain sounds. Maybe our brain is just a little to sensitive to all these noises in the world (as we where trapped in a quiet cellar for a couple of years and then released in NY City, in the middle of wall street)

I dont know but for sure the longer you suffer from hyperacusis the more it must be a psychological problem. That doesnt not mean you are nuts or something, no. Maybe you just deveopped some kind of memory about that you have hyperaucis and you also have a memory about the pain you had. That memory can be painful too.

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Hi Simon,

 

I've read your points about what you think the psychological experiences are with hyperacusis, although I can't say that they mirror my own.  I'm glad to hear that you have times when you have no pain at all depending on how you feel etc, but for me pain is always there, whether around a lot of noise or very little.  I do not suddenly have no hyperacusis when I have something to do as you have said you have.

 

How I liken the psychological aspect of hyperacusis has been drawn from my own observation of myself and others around me, including doctors.

 

I have personally noticed from audiologists (not neurologists as they seem to address hyperacusis in a different way) when they say hyperacusis is to do with 'attention' they often express a kind of impatience and dare I say it, a kind of annoyance and resentment. Almost like, "well if I can't hear that frequency why should you?".  Even though they will admit to that frequency or sound being within the environment.  So, their next response is usually "you are not concentrating on the sound you should be concentrating on" - hence the 'attention' aspect that most audiologist want to give to hyperacusis.  This to me is an obvious and lazy response. 

 

While I don't want to undermine those who are specialists in this area, and recognise myself as a layperson in terms of the hearing mechanisms etc, I am nonetheless a person who actually has this condition, and therefore, see myself as someone who is also able to assert what, why, when and how this condition affects me. And, I believe the biggest mistake a specialist often makes is believing once someone is learned in an area there is nothing a person who is not able to teach them.  Kind of like "I'm the doctor you are the patient, I know my job you don't".  Although, I must say that I have never had this kind of response or attitude from any of the neurologists I have seen. They seem much more willing to put themselves in a position of wanting to learn also from the patient - which is a good thing as it shows the ability to recognise that "one can only continue to teach if one also recognises themself as a pupil too". The best teachers in life are those who also remain the pupil.

 

Anyway, can I just use an example of how I view this attention aspect of hyperacusis.  Do you know those pictures with hundreds of dots?  They are called 'Magic Eye' pictures. They have hundreds of spots all different colours. Within the picture there is an image, and they tell you to focus your eyes to draw out that image, some people are able to do it, while others struggle to see the image and some don't see it at all. Those who can't see the image become increasingly frustrated and begin to feel annoyed with themselves - "why can't I see it when others can". 

 

This is the same response I see from many when dealing with hyperacusis, they know the frequency is there and yet they can't hear, but instead of getting frustrated with themself, they get frustrated with the hyperacusis sufferer and start to tell them "the problem is with you rather than me". However, unlike the magic eye pictures, the hyperacusis sufferer doesn't have to try and draw out an image.  The hyperacusis sufferer hears the sound(s) and frequencies whether or not they consciously try to hear them.  There doesn't seem to be a choice in the matter, the sound is there regardless of whether one wants to hear it or not. Therefore, for me, it's not a matter of 'attention' (to try and disregard what is there regardless) but rather how to now manage all these sounds so that they don't impact too severely on one's life.

 

With love

Yasmin

(must try and be less long winded when trying to make points...smile)


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Interesting thread.. (((( Smiles ))))

 

I'm really into the study of neuronal damage now.. Neurons really interest me.. Need to look that up...

I was reading before my little weekend break about the differences of dead neurons verses damaged neurons..

Interesting...

 

Simon wrote.... 

 

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