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Henk

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Hi,

 

As all of us know, hyperacusis and tinnitus can't easily be cured. Many are prepared to try everything.

 

On this board, I often see homeopathic "medicines" being mentioned. And I don't remember I saw any negative reaction of someone.

 

Now, I like to think positive, though I don't always succeed in that...
But, also because I now see messages passing by where the regular medicine is accused of all kinds of things, I feel I can't keep my mouth shut any longer.

 

And with all respect ... I don't want to attack persons on this board! Neither do I doubt the good intentions of everyone! I'm just using the right of freedom of speech on this board.

 

To me, believing in homeopathy medicine is not different from believing that 1 + 1 = 3, or maybe it is not always 2 ...

It is cheaper to drink water, or mineral water if you like, than heavily diluted substances so it doesn't contain one single molecule of this substance anymore.
Or maybe you are lucky and got a bottle with one molecule ... ;-)

 

I don't want to start a war on this board on this topic, there are other boards for that on the internet. But I can't see people being misguided. There has to be "common sense", at least so now and then.

 

I don't want to take away hope for people either, but put your energy in things which can possibly work.
If you choose for homeopathy, be sure you tried everything else first.
Translated to our situation: use/try 'normal' approved medicines (against pain, depressions, etc.), good, balanced nutrition (vitamins, minerals, etc.), sound enrichment / pink noise / TRT, laser, hyperbaric oxygen, etc.: stuff of which there is some proof or even a sign of proof or you can imagine it could work ...

 

Looked up some links, but there are of course a lot more:
http://www.quackwatch.org
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html
http://skeptico.blogs.com
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/11/absurd_homeopat.html
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/06/if_it_has_any_i.html
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/12/the_appeal_to_s.html

 

My opinion, FWIW....

 

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Hi Henk, ((( Smiles )))

 

It's O.K. to be a skeptic.. But I do agree for hyperacusis...A person should try... Other things that have been proven to work for hyperacusis disorder..

 

Like TRT, Pink Noise.... And magnesium based on the studys of magnesium and the ears and other vitamins and just trying to keep in the best of health as well..

 

Medications can help us cope better though they don't cure hyperacusis and medications do have their risks of use as well.

 

They have their side effects common and to the rare which is hard to bear when someone gets worse or the  rare side effect of any medication... Or one thats not even listed...

 

Life is full of risks... But thou I have tried homeopathic medication with a provider long long time ago and have many books on it...

 

And so I've read their philosophy that the highly diluted substance stimulates the system into action.. 

 

And most likely does no harm but I don't think thats  a normal proticol for hyperacusis at all. Probably interesting reading for some on what homeopathy is and all about... And lots of people will try anything to see if it helps...

 

For me.. Thats just alternative therapies that someone may want to try to see if it helps them.. I'm for anything that might help a person in anyway it can or might... Expecially if it's a non harmfull substance..

 

But.. I do believe a person should go the TRT and the Pink Noise way first..

 

I see homeopathy as just a side kick and not a standard treatment for this disorder..

 

If a person does homeopathy and feels better from trying it.. Thats O.K. as well.. Glad people do have choices weither a person believes in their philosophy or not....

 

Not into a witch hunt here either or an argument over peoples beliefs.

 

But you are intitled to be a skeptic... It's ultimently up to a individual person  on what they want to try or do...

 

But I didn't treat my hyperacusis with homeopathy.. But weither it helps one or not.... It's up to that person to decided what they want to do with it...  

 

But I wouldn't myself take that as a first option at all.. For H or T...

 

Weither it may help or not...

 

It's O.K. to be a spectic.. There are thoses that are skeptical about laser therapy as well. And it's not a proven therapy..

 

But there are thoses that have said it has helped them and others that say it has not ...

 

So I understand what you are saying.. But at the same time.. Others who have tried homeopathy may feel different about it...

 

There are some people in the medical proffesion that may not believe in pink noise or TRT.. But we have proved them wrong as it works for us...

 

But I agree..  It's not a standard treatment for hyperacusis and may not be effective for that at all.

 

Ultimately it all boils down to a person belief system.

 

And the placebo effect is O.K. as well... Not saying homeopathy is all placebo.

 

They really believe in what they do.. Though you do not....

 

Thats O.K... You have a right to say that... And I want people to try other thing first as well..  Good point...

 

On that we both agree...

 

You Take Care Henk    

 

 

    

 

 

 

 


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Lynn stated [regarding homeopathy]"

 

But I do agree for hyperacusis...A person should try

 

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Lynn, you believe that a person should try homeopathy for hyperacusis, right?

 

One must reasonably assume, then, that you understand the must fundamental concept of homeopathy - the Law of Similia.  I am not being argumentative here.  Rather, you are a person whose opinions are held in high regard on this board ... so I just want to be sure that you have not been misled and might therefore unintentionally mislead others.

 

Let me ask you, Lynn, how much selenium metallicum is in a properly prepared homeopathic preparation labeled selenium metallicum 10x?

 

A.  As much as is indicated on the label

B.  There is really no way of knowing

C.  None

 

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(PS - Anybody who wants to can chime in here.  Not just Lynn.)

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Hi Stringplayer, ((( Smiles )))

 

You didn't finnish my sentence which changed the content of meaning..

 

I just came back real fast because my sever autistic daughter is home at this time so I have to come back later.

 

I just wanted to apologise to the Homeopathic profession because it is not a belief system..  I don't want to be disrespectfull to the profession in any way or manner or form..... 

 

I was talking about the beliefs of others when it comes to any alternative therapy and for some.. Pink noise or TRT can fall into that catagory as well....

 

But we know better here as we have hyperacusis so we know what can work  for us... But....

 

 

The orgins of Homeopathy was founded in 1790's by a German Physician.. 

 

Dr Michael Carlson is a family Physician who teaches homeopathy at the University Of California - San Francisco school of medicine..

 

Licening varies from State to State for homeopathic practioners, most of whom have prior medical training , such as a degree in medicine, osteopathy, or neuropathic medicine. The pharmacutical they perscribe are recongnized and regulated by the FDA. Although homeopathic products can be purchased over the counter, thoses offered , thoses offered  for treating serious conditions must be dispensed under the supervision of a licensed practioner...

 

What is it good for.. What conditions.. That I will cover later as I got to go but....

 

But the Acupuncturist's, the chiropractors , osteopathy providers all went thru a hard time with their profession's as well. As sound therapists had a hard time convinceing the mainstream as well.

 

I mean.. What can placeing needles in a person really effect anyway ???

 

And time march's on... But there are limits on any therapy what it can be used for...

 

Or helpfull for . Or may help....

 

But I agree that TRT and Pink Noise is a good therapy for hyperacusis..

 

The best there is at this time...

 

 

 

   


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Lynn, all I am looking for in this discussion is to establish the answer to the question I posed.  Once all readers know what that answer is to that one question, I feel that they will be in a position to make informed decisions regarding homeopathy.  And that is my reason for being on this board - to give folks the tools to make informed decisions.  That's an aspect of support that I feel very strongly about - and it's one that is often overlooked.

 

To this point neither you nor anybody else has offered and answer to my question - is it A, B, or C?

 

I don't know why you brought TRT and pink noise into the picture.  I would really just like to focus on homeopathy and the straightforward important (in my opinion) question I raised.

 

Again:

 

How much selenium metallicum is in a properly prepared homeopathic preparation labeled selenium metallicum 10x?

 

A.  As much as is indicated on the label

B.  There is really no way of knowing

C.  None

 

Thanks -

 

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Hi Stringplayer, ((( Smiles ))))

 

I brought up pink noise because thats what I talking about with that sentence. I'm sorry if it wasen't a sentence in clarity... 

 

Henk was saying people should try thoses kinds of therapies before they try anything else..

 

I agreed with him on that... That proven therapies for hyperacusis is TRT and pink therapy.. And then was talking about vitamins next in line and then I was going down his list..

 

That had nothing to do with Homeopathy.  The only thing I was saying that people should be able to try whatever they want if they feel it may help them in any way...

 

If there are homeopathy treatments that have to do with helping stress , sleep, for the ears or with tinnitus...  A person should be able to get the information on that and try it if they think it may help them in anyway....

 

Or they have tryed it and it does help them in anyway....

 

People took vitamins anyway at one time and the medical field though it was worthless to do. So patients didn't tell there doctors and did it anyway...

 

Like seeing any alternative provider and if a patient felt it was helping them.. They didn't tell their doctor about it because of the way the medical proffesion felt about it and more so back then...

 

The medical proffesion rolls their eyes at alot things that are more accepted for treatment now then it was at one time before.. Like I bet Dr Jastreboff got a lot of eye rolls as well from the medical proffesion...

 

But  that didn't stop people from seeing him no matter how there doctors may have felt it was worthless therapy at one time and maybe some now...

 

You want to focus on one substance and I'm not sure why. I can look it up but what I'm saying is..  Homeopathy and many are physicians... they aren't witch doctors..    

 

Weither one believes in their therapy or not.. They have been around for along time for a reason... Because it has helped people in some way..

 

Otherwise.. Nobody would go to see one.. And there wouldn't be any left...

 

To see....

 

 

 

 


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Lynn asked:

 

You want to focus on one substance and I'm not sure why.

 

..........

 

Lynn, pick ANY substance you want.  (I just used selenium metallicum in my example because it is one of the more commonly used homeopathic preparations, but any substance will do.)

 

So take ANY substance of your choice.  Any one at all.

 

In a properly prepared homeopathic preparation of ANY substance, how much of that substance is in the homeopathic preparation?

 

A.  As much as is indicated on the label

B.  There is really no way of knowing

C.  None

 

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Tony, all I'm doing is asking a question.

 

Thus far it has not been answered.

 

Once it is answered (correctly), then as far as I am concerned the readership here will have information that I believe to be essential in empowering them to make an informed decision about homeopathy and whether or not it has a role in the treatment of hyperacusis.  What any given person does with that information is strictly up to him or her and how much weight he or she wishes to give science in the decision process.  But I just want the information to be out there.

 

So ...

 

In a properly prepared homeopathic preparation of ANY substance, how much of that substance is in the homeopathic preparation?

 

A.  As much as is indicated on the label

B.  There is really no way of knowing

C.  None

 

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Is there anybody here who disagrees with Tony when he says that a homeopathic preparation of any substance contains NONE of that substance?

 

I sure hope not.

 

Because he's 100% correct.

 

A properly prepared heopathic preparation of any substance does not contain even one molecule of that substance.

 

Properly prepared homeopathic preparations are actually purer than distilled water.  There is nothing in them.  NOTHING.

 

Now if you want to believe that drinking a glass of distilled water will cure your hyperacusis ... or help improve it in any way at all ... you are free to do so.  It's a personal decision, and nobody has any right to question it.  Not me.  Not anybody.

 

But at least now you know the facts.

 

Best to all. 

 

And thanks, Tony.

 

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Tony asked:

 

What is your definition of a "Homeopathic Preparation"

 

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"Ingredients- What is in a Homeopathic Remedy? What are the Remedies Derived From?
Homeopathy uses natural products -- usually plant or mineral substances.
Homeopathy uses natural substances, not chemical or synthetic. The vast majority of remedies come from usually plants with other remedies from minerals. Homeopathic remedies that use organs, glands, or tissue are called Sarcodes (organtherapy). Homeopathic remedies for allergies can be from almost any allergenic substance and are called Allergens. Homeopathy from inorganic minerals found inside the cells of our bodies are called Cell Salts. Homeopathic remedies from rock and minerals form a branch of homeopathy called Lithotherapy. Nosodes are from disease substances that are rendered safe from homeopathic preparation of dilution. Remedies can be from poisons such as arsenic. Homeopathic remedies no longer contain whole molecules of the substances and are therefore non-poisonous. The healing properties come from succussion and potenization."

 

Source:

 

http://www.elixirs.com/begin.cfm#from

 

Note please the second-to-last sentence:

 
"Homeopathic remedies no longer contain whole molecules of the substances ..."

 

And readers will recall from high school chemistry that a molecule of any substance is the smallest physical unit of that substance that still carries with it any of the properties of that substance.

 

In other words since a homeopatjic preparation of substance A contains no molecules of substance A, there is no substance A in that preparation.  We are asked to believe that the mere fact that a molecule of substance A was at one time in a much weaker dilution of the preparation that its "memory" conveys some sort of effect.

 

Here's a way to look at it:  Distilled water by definition has less than 1 part in 109 impurities - or one part per billion.  The dilutions used by homeopaths are purer than distilled water.  Much purer.  Homeopaths frequently use solutions as dilute as 1 part in 10100 - or one part per billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion.  That dilution mathematically has been judged roughly analogous to placing one single crushed grain of rice in a swimming pool of pure water the radius of which is the distance from the Sun to Pluto - then drinking an 8 oz. glass of the content of that swimming pool in the hopes that you will still get the effect of the rice.

 

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i have taken homeopathic remedies over the years,and i always said after taking them ,that all i was taking was water,as they did nothing for me.

you have to remember that these remedies are the bread and butter for natural path Dr's.just like prescription drugs are for our family Dr's.big business.

 

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Bob posted [in part]:

 

i have taken homeopathic remedies over the years,and i always said after taking them ,that all i was taking was water,as they did nothing for me.

 

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... and now you know why it seemed that all you were taking was water.  It WAS water!

 

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thanks i needed that

 

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Hi Stringplayer , ((( Smiles )))

 

I never said a person should take homeopathic medications for hyperacusis...

 

I said a person should be able to try whatever they want to try... Whatever may help or work for them...

 

I have allways supported the concept of TRT or pink noise therapy as a first cause of action...

 

Henk was skeptical about homeopathy working at all. I disagree...  I can do that... I have tried it before.. There alot of medical centers run by MD's that have alternative providers on the premises...

 

And I've been to a pretty big one before run by a Stanford doctor..

 

I also have posted a post about him on this board.. Or a link in a thread...

 

I've tried alot of different thing before.. So it's a matter of opinion... 

 

I know what the contents are in homeopathy medications and the premises they go on for why they believe it works and has before worked for people who have tried homeopathy...

 

Thats why lots of people have undergone this therapy.. And it's still around to this day... I'm for a person trying whatever that want to try in alternative therapys that may help them in anyway.

 

Emotional, physically, ect..... Not in the replacement of pink noise or TRT or medications if they are seriously ill...

 

But I do understand the theory behind homeopathy.. Weither one agrees with it or not is a different thing...

 

Doesn't mean it should be denyed to anyone who wants to try it...

 

For whatever....

 

 


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Lynn wrote:

I never said a person should take homeopathic medications for hyperacusis...

 

..........

 

Well, Lynn, I misinterpreted what you said in your original post.  The ellipsis (...) confused me!

 

As my son would say, "My bad!"  Very sorry about that, Lynn.  My apologies.

 

Anyway, I hope that folks here understand a bit more about homeopathy than they did at the outset of this thread.

 

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There may not be a homeopathic remedy for hyperacusis, probably isn't.

But there are many to help ease the situation of your anxiety, stress level,
extreme hyperasensitivity (or which the emotions do play a part of).




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Water does work wonders!

 

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Hi Stringplayer, ((( Smiles )))

 

Thats O.K.. I didn't make myself clear ...

 

But not everybody agree's with the concept of homeopathy but when it come to hyperacusis disorder.

 

TRT or Pink Noise is the therapy to look for..

 

Even Leah above as I read by her post..

 

Realizes if person has hyperacusis.. Don't run to your local homeopathy provider..

 

I think certain therapys are complimentry not primary depending on the condition one has..

 

Homeopathy is an interesting concept..The German physician named Samuel Hahnemann was not the first to therioze that cures could be fashioned from the causes of disease. In the 5th century BC, the Greek physician hippocartes described a system of healing by " Simulars ", the notion of fighting illness with like substances contrasted with the more orthodox practice of healing by " contraries , " or antidotes.

 

Overtime, medical practitioners came to rely almost exclusively on contraries , deriving treatments from the substances that reverse or work against the actions of particular diseases. Yet the principle of simulars persisted in folk medicine for hundereds of years , providing the ground work for Hahnemann's revolutinary method...

 

It so interesting the books I do have on it.. The Alternative Advisor .. The Complete Guide To Natural Therapies And Alternatives Treatments from Time Life..

 

Physicians Guide To Remeides and Cures From Bottom line books .. And other books on it as well.. As you must be able to tell right now.. I'm a collector of Books.. Now if only had the time to read them I might be in better shape then I am in now...     

 

What is Homeopathy? It's a system of medicine whose aim is to stimulate the body to heal itself. Theory : Natural substances that cause certain symptoms will cure theses symptoms when given in minuscule doses..

 

They  believe the less the better the more dilute the remedy the greater it's potency It's just interesting how they theorise it works.. I will get to that later thou I know you have probably read about it before but it's interesting what I'm reading on this take of things... But haven't read other threads yet... 

 

But there are homeopathic remedys for nerve pain.. For earache nerve pain.. sharp , aching .. snapping and noises in the ear.. impared hearing following earache, to clear eustachian tubes following earache .. sticking pains from throat to ear on swallowing...

 

Oh wow.. I haven't read theses books in awhile.. I didn't know they had that... Now I have to read up on more.

 

No matter how a person may feel about homeopathic.. Its just an interesting concept with alot of history....

 

But for hyperacusis... It's not for that.. Just for certain symptoms based on their charts... Kind of like acupuncture is.. For symptoms...

 

Now I have to look at theses books again... I haven't read some of them in years......  Some are more recent...I love reading books.. I got tons.. I just.. Have kids...Maybe when they get older. I can read all thoses books...

 

Same thing with my magazines...Especially Time Magazine... I like Time Magazine ...Life Extension too....        


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Lynn posted:

 

But there are homeopathic remedys for nerve pain.. For earache nerve pain.. sharp , aching .. snapping and noises in the ear.. impared hearing following earache, to clear eustachian tubes following earache .. sticking pains from throat to ear on swallowing...

 

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Water.

 

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